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The Oakland A's Relocation Saga: Heart, Heritage, and the Leap to Las Vegas PT1
What if the Oakland A's pack their bags for Las Vegas? Join us as we unravel the complex reality of the move that has stirred the hearts of fans and the Bay Area alike. In this episode of the Dad Hat Chronicles, I, Ed, am joined by my brother Edgardo and co-host Val, aka Stadium Food Girl, to navigate the winding path of the A's location saga. From reminiscing about our childhood in Puerto Rico and the team's legendary 80s players to exploring the highs and lows of their current situation, we share our personal connections and insights on what this move might mean for the franchise and its devoted followers.
As the A's contemplate a new chapter in Las Vegas, we unpack the emotions and business considerations tied to this seismic shift. Edgardo, a lifelong fan, provides a unique perspective on the team's rich history and the bittersweet feelings accompanying the potential relocation. We weigh the allure of modern stadiums and vibrant sports culture against the loss of long-held traditions in Oakland. With Oakland's community hanging in the balance, we reflect on how the city's past engagements—or lack thereof—might have influenced this trajectory and what it means for fan loyalty.
This episode isn't just about baseball; it's about the heart and soul of sports fandom and the complex dance between loyalty, business, and community. With insights into fan protests and the impact on Oakland's identity, we explore whether the A's should retain their name and colors if they move. We also speculate on the seeds of excitement sprouting in Las Vegas, complete with stadium plans and fan events, and consider the possibility of the A's legacy living on in Oakland through future expansion. Join us for a heartfelt discussion that keeps hope alive while honoring the past and embracing what lies ahead.
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you know, oakland has some skin in the game too, right, in regards to not being able to get a deal done, right, and I think that it did drag out for a very long time. I mean we're talking stadium for the last 10 years, right? I don't know if you guys remember, but I mean they're supposed to move to Fremont at one point, then they were supposed to move to San Jose, then now they're going to build a stadium in the lakefront in Oakland and now all of a sudden now they're moving to Vegas, right. So certainly it's been a back and forth and certainly Oakland has some skin in the game owning Is there anybody there?
Speaker 3:All right, all right. All right, all right. Well, welcome everybody yet to another episode of the Dad Hack Chronicles podcast. Obviously, my name is Ed and with me, as always, I got my awesome, wonderful co-host, val Stadium Food Girl. What's going on, girl?
Speaker 2:Hi, nothing much Another Monday. I'm excited for today's show.
Speaker 3:Another one, right, another one where we got a special guest this week. Okay, we got a special guest this week. You and me were discussing having various fans of Oakland right, oakland A's on what. What's going on right from? I want to take a look at from the perspective of, you know, being a fan of the team in Oakland and then the potential of fans being excited about their move to Vegas, right, but this week I figure we started it off with a fan that I've known all my life as a matter of fact, all of, actually, all of his life, okay, all my life as a matter of fact, actually all of his life. So with me we have my little brother. Yes, his name is also Edward, but we know him as Edgardo, and he has been a fan for way too long, I don't know why, ever since Puerto Rico. What is going on, man? How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1:Nothing much Excited to be here for sure, talking about probably the best team in the MLB.
Speaker 3:You need to calm down, bro. You need to slow your roll, bro. Okay, calm down.
Speaker 1:At least the more colorful ones, right.
Speaker 3:Have you seen the San Diego Padres City Connect jerseys?
Speaker 1:I have. They're pretty awesome.
Speaker 3:Okay, so they're not the most colorful anymore. Okay.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:So there's, that.
Speaker 3:Anyways all right. So, val, as you already know, like I said, we've been talking about this, having this whole discussion on. We both have our thoughts on this right. We have our feelings on the Oakland A's, the move, the ownership and all that. I don't want to talk about that just yet. I want to talk about, I want to ask my brother. The very first question is to how does it feel to be, you know, related to this wonderful, you know, content creator known as the dad hat? I mean, this is great stuff right here. Right, I hear that he's a pretty cool dude. You know, how can you compare to that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I'm pretty excited because I think it's just an honor that we're sharing the same screen, right? Because I don't typically get this pleasure to be in such a wonderful platform, right? So I've heard about it a thousand and one time.
Speaker 3:but now You've heard about it, but never listened.
Speaker 1:I'm living the dream, so the fact that I'm here living the dream and sharing a microphone perhaps, is pretty awesome, to say the least.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's a dream come true, it's a dream come true you can just go ahead and say it now.
Speaker 1:My vision board is complete.
Speaker 3:There it is is I don't know what to tell you all right, man, listen, just you know, for for the people that may not know, right, explain to them how, what, how is it that you decided that you were going to choose? Because by the time when you became a fan of the Oakland A's, we were still back in Puerto Rico. We live back in Puerto Rico. I didn't have a baseball team then. Right, because when we moved in, I adopted which was back then the Cleveland Indians, now the Guardians. That became my team, but you already came from to Cleveland as a fan of Oakland A's. But like, why? Why did you choose to become a fan of the A's?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so back in Puerto Rico, back in the 80s right we were, baseball was huge, right.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I think that we used to play literally baseball is really within the fabric of Puerto Rico and I think that for me that kind of set the stage right and back in the 80s the A's were a machine, Right, they were huge Talk about McGuire, Henderson, Right.
Speaker 1:And all those guys, right. So I mean going to the World Series 88, 89, 90. Right, and I think that year the A's were very, very popular, plus their colors, right, I mentioned that at the beginning. I think their colors were pretty cool as well. So I think that, just, you know, for me it clicked when I was watching them in the World Series because, you know, back back then they used to televise the, the World Series games, and for me that was pretty awesome um and um, to watch the A's growing up, something that just resonated with me and kind of stuck with me throughout the time. So even when I made the move to Cleveland and certainly the Indians back then, the Guardians certainly had a special place in my heart as well. But I could never let go of the A's just growing up with them and just knowing how pretty cool they were. And McGuire, right, one of my favorite players certainly made a big hit back in the 90s. So that just kind of further solidified that for me and I've been a fan ever since.
Speaker 3:I mean you got like to be honest with you, right, like I mean you grew up with some great players who everybody knows, right, ricky Henderson, right, we were just talking about Maguire Canseco, like I mean those were like I mean, listen, those were it Like no one really was a fan, like in during that time, of the Yankees or anything like that. It was one of those teams, it was the Oakland A's. So, like I mean to have you, you know, become a fan and still be a fan of that team, you know it speaks volume, like because I mean there's been some lean years with the oakland a's. I mean there's definitely been some lean years and I'll give it to them. I'll give it to them. Their colors are pretty cool, all right, green and and uh, you know yellow piss yellow.
Speaker 1:But it's cool, don't worry about it, it's cool, it's cool, it's cool, you know we'll take it no for sure, right and and and you see all the players Right. And then you go into the 2000s when we talk about Moneyball. That was pretty big there too, with the movie and everything else. So no, I agree, especially the players, and I think that once we start talking about Vegas and and things like that, I think that the the the thing that hurts the most is the history. That hurts the most is the history right, and I think that the history that they really kind of founded in Oakland since the 60s into the 70s, 80s and 90s, and I think that that's what hurts the most.
Speaker 1:But you're right, the players were special, you know, just reading about the A's, you know certainly they were good in the 80s. They should have won more World Series, right, they only won one. But boy, they really faced a good Dodger team in 88. Their big red machine, right, the Reds in 1990. But they were fun to watch, right, they could pitch, they could run and they could hit the ball very far right. So for me that was pretty special and just pretty fun to watch right and seeing how baseball was played back in the day as well.
Speaker 3:It's true, Val. Do you have anything? Because I'll keep going if you don't.
Speaker 2:I know we're going to get into this and I know that this isn't what a lot of people want to hear, but I'm going to start it off with I am so excited for the move to Las Vegas. I'm so sorry, yeah.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 3:That with.
Speaker 2:I am so excited for the move to las vegas, I'm so sorry, yeah, I know that's okay, all this culture she does live in vegas I live in vegas but you know what I will say, though. I'm a texas rangers fan. I'm from arlington. I just moved to vegas six years ago when I turned 24. Um, and so it is.
Speaker 2:It has been fun having the, because the a's weren't always like a team like last year you know, growing up, and so it's just it's, it's just cool now to have that close to me and the rangers are gonna be here twice, or what is it? Three times now a year.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, they're gonna be there, uh, a while. No, val, you're right, it is exciting, is exciting to build a new stadium, right, and finally the A's are getting what they deserve right, which is a brand-new stadium, and I think from that piece, I think I certainly agree with you. I think it is exciting to see the A's play on a brand-new stadium, state-of-the-art and very just nice field overall, right, something that they don't have in Oakland, right, and with the old Coliseum and things like that. And, quite frankly, vegas is becoming just a sports town, right. So, with the Raiders now and the Knights there as well, so it's really exciting to be part of a sports fan over there in Vegas, for sure.
Speaker 2:I do have to say, though, as a sports fan over there in Vegas for sure I do have to say though, as a baseball fan, it is tough seeing the photos on Twitter and Instagram and news articles, just how much the stadium is what it looks like. Now I often joke about it, but I know it's actually not very funny, but it's almost like, instead of a promotion, it's kind of a dumb motion when a player gets sent from Vegas their AAA team over to Oakland right To Oakland yep.
Speaker 2:And it's unfortunate that it's seen that way because you're going from Las Vegas to Oakland. But you know, it does break my heart. There is so much history in that stadium and and nothing. There will never be another battle of the bay once this transition is a hundred percent, and that's right, it's, it's. I don't know bittersweet is the right word because I know for fans I don't know if there is like any sort of sweetness at the end of it with all the history and everything else that's being left behind. But yeah, you know I'm excited to talk more about how you feel as an A's fan with the transition and you know, what's to come.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, no, I agree. And certainly you know me not being in Oakland or ever been in Oakland, so certainly, being a fan from afar, I think it's.
Speaker 1:you know, my perspective is maybe a little different, right, you know I can think of when the Browns left Cleveland and how much that hurt, right, and and I used to live there, right, and I felt how much it hurt for me seeing the Browns leave. Now they eventually came back and it was fine after that. But you know, I can only imagine it would be very similar to that sentiment from an A's fan living in Oakland and seeing their team move, especially when they were very close to getting a stadium deal done with the city. So I think that that's even worse. But yeah, it's certainly tough for sure.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you you, speaking of that, because I think that's a, that's a that's a good conversation to have, right, because you know from there's, there's two sides of the story.
Speaker 3:Right, you know, ownership cycle, that we never got closed, that the city says that no, we actually were closed. You know we were, we were going to give you this location and this is just going to be the area where we were going to build the ballpark and all that. So it's like I want to know your thoughts on that because, you know, in my opinion and again, I'm just a fan of another team, right, I'm someone who does follow baseball a lot, right, you know, um, but it, it seems to me like ownership kind of, you know, played oakland in a way in which, so that they could say, no, hey, listen, the fans didn't support us, the city didn't support us. We are moving to Vegas because there's a new market for us and all that. You know, because, don't get me wrong, I got my all my thoughts on, you know, ownership and major league commissioner on this. So, like I want to hear your thoughts on that and Major League Commissioner on this, so I want to hear your thoughts on that overall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it certainly feels that way, right, because I think that the team was really I was hoping and it seemed like they were operating within good faith, right, and negotiating from that perspective. But the more you heard about it and got exposed to more behind the scenes and things from that perspective, but the more you heard about it and, you know, got exposed to more behind the scenes and things like that, I think that the bitter it was tasting and eventually, you know, all of a sudden negotiations cut off and now we're, you know, looking at Vegas plots to build a stadium and I think that that's pretty sad and just following it from afar again is different than being there. But you go to Twitter. You know, for me, just watching on Twitter, the Vegas Congress battle it out whether they're going to do it or not and things like that.
Speaker 1:You kind of stay close to it, but it's tough, it's tough and, yeah, they didn't make it any easier for the fans in Oakland and you know they weren't drawing a lot of fans. I mean, to get 2,000, 3,000 fans in a game certainly did not help the rhetoric right, the media coverage and things like that. And so it was certainly a sad moment and certainly disappointed, because I think that, in the true spirit of a fan, I think Oakland has one of the best fans, very spirited fans in the Bay Area, and certainly it showed right when they were winning. I mean the stadium was holding 50 plus thousand people, right so. But when the product was not as good, then you know they just weren't coming obviously rightfully so.
Speaker 2:And on that note, I don't know if you remember when the video kind of went viral of some of the ownership from Oakland was I can't remember who it was exactly, but some of those guys were out here during the Vegas golden Knights playoff run and I remember seeing how excited he looked up in the suites seeing the golden Knights, I guess the crowd, just how electric it was for him. And I think when I saw that video go viral and how excited he looked, I think for me that's when I knew like yeah, this is something that he's looking for, this is an environment and a feeling that they are looking for and they're not really getting it in Oakland right now. And I feel like that kind of sealed the deal when he came out here and saw like what an electric I guess fan base was like, and then obviously the Raiders being here just probably makes it easier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, go ahead.
Speaker 3:You know, and that's the one thing that I wanted to, you know, touch on right, because you know, not only are they losing the Oakland A's, but they're also. They lost the Oakland Raiders, they lost on with the Warriors.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 3:Warriors, right, yeah. So like that whole town right now, it's been like man, what else can go wrong here? Right, we started with the Raiders, then the Warriors moved to San Francisco right. And now you got Oakland A's moving to Vegas and you know, and I want to hear what you guys think about this is that okay? So, listen, we got betting everywhere now. So online betting is legal on all pretty much, I think is all 50 states, or most of the states right now. Right. So I think once that happened Right, I think the the it was OK to say all right, we can move to Vegas now. Right, because since gambling is legal everywhere, we're okay to have a WNBA, an NHL team, an NFL team, right. So now it's okay. And I think that played a part into really an untapped market. For what is Major League Baseball looking for right now?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't disagree. I mean, I think that certainly Vegas was just primed for something like this.
Speaker 1:It's unfortunate that they selected the A's and not created their own expansion team, and you hear other players within MLB, right, like Harper I believe Harper is from Vegas as well Just saying, you know he would rather have an expansion team than the A's or whatever the case was. But yeah, I don't disagree. I'm sure that that has to do something with it. I think it's just, you know, the journey with the ownership in Oakland has been really tumultuous, right, and I think that because when, especially when they hired Dave Cavill, you know he started out very fan friendly and that kind of dissipated over the years and I think that the lack of transparency there kind of hurt us a little bit, right, Especially the fans in Oakland that attended the one-on-one meetings with him, and you know we're talking about. You know he's not going to move them right and he wants to maintain the rich history and things like that.
Speaker 1:So, uh, but yeah, but to your initial point. I think there's something to it. I think that, um, you know, at the end of the day, this is a business, right, and and it's you know there's a business side and there's a fan side. So do you understand why they're making this business decision right? Because at the end of the day, it looks like it's all about the money, and certainly I'm assuming that went into the thought process there and something that we'll have to consider as we move forward.
Speaker 3:Let me ask, because you bring a valid point here.
Speaker 3:Looking at it from two sides, right, the spectrum of it's a business, and looking at it from the spectrum of where I'm a fan, I don't want to lose my team and all that, right, and I think ownership and again this is my opinion, again right, like ownership has done a really good job at saying, well, if they would have supported our team, if they would have supported our team, we would have still been here, which, yes and no, right, I mean, there's a lot of things that were done in order for fans to lose hope of the ownership.
Speaker 3:I think a lot of the fans would have much rather seen ownership sell the team and keep the team in oakland than actually see them leave. You know, and and then you know that's. That's something that, like you know, looking at from the spectrum of the fans, I write the business size, I get it. Man, listen, you know, you wanna, you wanna, you wanna go to the new shiny toy and you want to be that owner that brings in Major League Baseball to that market, right? You know, for fans such as you, val, right, that you're going to be there and you're going to be attending some of those games, because you are there now and I'm trying to be careful with what I say, right, just because it's a touchy subject, that has to be. I see both sides of the coin on this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hold on what I'm going to say, go ahead. No, say it. It's all right, god, it's so. I mean it's just weird to me that now I'm seeing the fans, like now I'm seeing the protests, like it's just man, I'm probably gonna get canceled, but I don't know. It's just weird.
Speaker 3:This is the last episode of Val.
Speaker 2:And maybe I'm just not spending enough time being on like the geolocation on Instagram, seeing what the parking lot in Oakland looks like every day.
Speaker 2:But I'm just like, where was all of this before? And then you're going to get the debate. Well, they weren't catering to us, so we weren't showing up. I don't know. I just feel like if you love something, you're always going to show up for it, no matter what. And now there's signs and there's chants and there's protests and the parking lot's more full than ever, and now fans are arranging a a game to come out and stay in the parking lot, yeah no, and I'm just like you know what it could be, because I live in las vegas and I love me some major league baseball and I really
Speaker 1:I could just be selfish too, so yeah, yeah, no, and and I do think, if I may real quick, and I do think that you know you do have a point right in regards to, you know, oakland has some skin in the game too, right?
Speaker 1:Um, in regards to um not being able to get a deal done, right, and I think that it did drag out for a very long time.
Speaker 1:I mean we're talking stadium for the last 10 years, right, I don't know if you guys remember, but I mean they're supposed to move to Fremont at one point, then they were supposed to move to San Jose, then now they're going to build a stadium in the lakefront in Oakland and now, all of a sudden now they're moving to Vegas, right, so certainly it's been a back and forth and certainly Oakland has some skin in the game, owning the process as well.
Speaker 1:But you know, certainly you know the fans there as well don't want to take anything away from them, right, because I think that they have bought into ownership, not wanting to leave, right, and the history there. And you know we're patient and we're going to give you time to find a location for us to build a stadium, and I think it wasn't until the last three years when they announced a potential move and back and forth and I think that that's really kind of bothered some people. It would have bothered me as well if I was here in Cleveland and find out that the Browns were moving and you know, certainly you have a lot of passionate fans. But certainly Val you're certainly right on the money in regards to Oakland is not by any means a victim here and I think that they do own some skin in the game as well. I don't disagree.
Speaker 3:I don't disagree. I don't disagree, I don't.
Speaker 2:I feel so much better.
Speaker 3:No, but he does bring a valid point right.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've just seen some really passionate fans who are like how could they? And I'm kind of like am I dumb for being confused, like what do you mean? How could they? Like where have y'all been, you know? I mean.
Speaker 3:There is a sect of, there's a group, a small group. You know, it may be it's very small, right, but like there's a group, a small group of people that are, they've been there from the beginning, right.
Speaker 3:They've been there since they were born, they were fans. But at the same time, on the same token, there's a lot of fans that weren't there either. Same in Cleveland, right when Cleveland with the Indians, when they were not good for those many years that they weren't good, you know, those stadium, that stadium was very, very empty and those seats were cheap to get, right, I remember, because I bought some of those tickets, you know, and it was very affordable, right um. And then a lot of people are going to come, you know they might say I was like, well, you know, hey, ed, your brother, you know he's never been here, but like I can tell you this, like this dude buys more jerseys and more oakland ace uh, uh gear than I buy cleveland gear. I'll tell you that much right now I'm telling you.
Speaker 3:That's a yeah. He has a whole rack full of jerseys.
Speaker 1:No, but listen, you're right. I do want to preface this also by saying, too, that it almost feels too, though, that during the process that we were so close and I say we, but Oakland was so close to getting a stadium that I felt they were very close in signing that contract, and I think that because they were so close, and all of a sudden they stopped talking and they didn't want to negotiate, I think that that really set the fans up as well. Right To really have a sour taste. It certainly did me, because I mean, I remember my brother asking me hey, do you think that they're going to move? And I'm thinking no. I mean, I remember, um, my brother asking me, hey, do you think that they're going to move?
Speaker 1:and I'm thinking no, I mean I just seen an article, yeah, I just seen an article saying that they're real close to it, right, and? And all of a sudden, you know, conversation ended and now they're not even going to finish in Oakland, they're going to go to Sacramento and then they're going to go to Vegas. So, um, so certainly, val, I understand your point of view, but I do believe as well, though, that there's something different, from a fan perspective that I think that I'm not sharing because I'm not from there, but I can only imagine if the Browns were to leave tomorrow and I keep using them because they left and came back I would probably exhibit some of the same behavior that I'm seeing in Oakland as well, because it does hurt to lose a franchise that you rooted for so long I mean me, you know, 20 plus years, or 30 years, and some people even longer, right? So all that tradition and everything else is going to go away, and I think that is sad to realize.
Speaker 2:I will say, though. I will say yes, it is sad because now I'm putting myself in their shoes. I would be devastated if the Rangers left Arlington. But I will say it's an excuse to come visit Las Vegas, and nobody can be upset about that.
Speaker 1:No, you're right, Absolutely. It gives us a reason to go to Vegas, for sure.
Speaker 3:You know, on that note, right on the Vegas, right, val, because you are from there and all that like, do you see, and then you have more of experience being there is, do you see fans turning out, to be turning out to the games like they would if they were in Oakland or the Yankees or Boston or Texas? Right, because, from what I understand, and a lot of people saying they're saying it's like, oh, there's a very transient city, right, there's a lot of people that are not originally from there. They're like they're probably going to end up using like they do with football, but, granted, football is a different sport and less games. But, like I said, it's like you know, for business purposes and things like that. But, like I said, it's like you know, for business purposes and things like that. So do you see them having a fan base just like they have it in Oakland?
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and I say that because in March we had big league weekend here, which is, you know, like a spring training thing here, aside from Florida and Arizona, and the Oakland A's actual Oakland A's and Milwaukee Brewers were here, and when I tell you there were so many Oakland A's fans out here, or at least wearing green and yellow out here.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they were just like aviators, fans or people that flew out here, but again, and it seems to be in Vegas, but, um, so many people here. And then Jose Canseco was doing like a meet and greet out here, that the Aviators had like a an Oakland A's fan fest that Saturday, that they were playing the Brewers out here in this little stadium that holds 10,000 people and I mean it didn't sell out. But, um, there were so many, so many fans. And then the Aviators having the blueprint like on, um, uh, just big posters of what the stadium is going to look like. And then, during aviators games, um, they also have like the qr code where you can scan for season ticket information, and so I just feel like the aviators are also doing a really good job of embracing it and get us, getting us ready for it and getting us excited for it by making it seem like the aviators are already here.
Speaker 2:Um, I keep hearing like it's not official, even though it is right, like I mean it is. I don't know, maybe people are saying it's not official. It could just be fans in denial. I'm sorry, but, um, the aviators are surely treating it like they're opening up tomorrow and it's pretty cool. The Tropicana is almost fully like destroyed. There's gonna be like an implosion party, and so I wonder Yators fans or a's fans are gonna line up to see that. I don't know, we'll see, but I feel like the city is really Embracing it now.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know, yeah, and they should right. I mean it's, it's exciting times to get a baseball. Yeah, and they should, right. I mean, it's exciting times to get a baseball team, to be honest with you, right? So you can't fault them for being happy, right? And I think that that's pretty cool. And to get a franchise like Oakland is even better, so you can fault them for that for sure.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry as I'm saying this. I'm like dang, I saw like I would hate if there was an Oakland A's fan on here living in Oakland. I feel like they probably would have hung up this call Like I'm just way too excited. I'm sorry. If the Rangers left Arlington I would cry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing, right, I think that you know, if it was your team that was leaving, and things like that, it's hard. It's hard to really think about. Hey, next year they're not going to be in Oakland right.
Speaker 1:And in three years they're not even going to be in California, right? So for a fan to think like that especially a fan, because you know how we are as fans right, we always try to, we we're fans but then our kids become fan and their kids become fan and and you try to kind of maintain that, that trajectory in your family, and I think that's that, that's what hurts, right. And I think that, again, from a fan living afar, never been in california, I'm sure that I'm somewhat biased and and and things like that, but I cannot imagine what it feels like to actually live in Oakland and the effect it has on the community, for sure.
Speaker 2:Well, I can't wait for both of y'all to come out here for a game.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you, ricardo, let me ask you this question yeah, so let's say, for the sake of this conversation, that it has been official. It is official, right, they are moving, they're going to go where the tropic can is. They're going to build in all that. Um, are you and this might be a difficult question to ask but are you of the belief that they should keep the colors, then the, the name, athletics and all that like, do you think that they should keep it or do you think that they should do keep clean break, keep the history in oakland, all of that? This is going to be new name, new team, all of that like, how do you, what do you feel? Uh, as a fan of oakland? Yes, granted, you're not from the bay area, never been but, like you are a fan nonetheless yeah, no, and I cannot thank baltimore for not taking the Browns name.
Speaker 3:Well, there was a lawsuit. You remember that? Right, right the city sued Right.
Speaker 1:So I think in the same breath. I think for me I'm hoping that the A's can stay in Oakland to at least give the A's fans in Oakland some kind of glimmer of hope that if they do get an expansion team which I know there's plenty of articles and things like that that talks about potentially in the future getting a team I'm hoping that they can be known as the A's right to continue their legacy and continue that. So my hope is that that that the, the, the colors and the name can remain in Oakland to potentially have another team years down the road.
Speaker 3:Okay, I can see that. All right, I like that. I like that. If that doesn't happen, do you still root for the team?
Speaker 1:Yeah, listen, I think it's going to take some time. You know, I think you certainly make a relationship with the, with the players, right, um, and you follow them and you root for them and and things like that. So I think it's gonna take some time, um, to kind of get behind the team. You're certainly going to follow the players, you. You are going to be intrigued in regards to when they open up and the field and things like that. So so I I do think it's gonna be interesting and I think that eventually, if, um, if they end up with their colors and things like that, I will become a vegas fan, um, but, um, yeah, it we'll have to see. But, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's gonna be tough because we can.
Speaker 3:We Because we can take you as a Cleveland fan if you do decide to not become a fan of them.
Speaker 1:Point well taken, point well taken.
Speaker 3:And Cleveland is always in my heart, right, and here's the thing too, though, right, because I'm in a position right now, where I'm at, there is no major league team, right, the biggest name here in this area is the durham bulls, but that's a triple a team, right, and there has been conversations about raleigh becoming one of those cities for expansion. At one point they even talked about possibly having the tampa bay rays move from tampa to raleigh, right, so we don't know what's going on, right? I mean, the commissioner did say, hey, you know, we're not going to talk about expansion until both the Oakland A's situation gets settled and the Tampa Bay, the Tampa Bay Rays situation gets settled. So I think Oakland A's is one domino. I think Oakland A's is one domino. There was that Tampa Bay stadium that has been, I guess, approved, but not really, you know. So it's still in the air.
Speaker 3:So I wonder which situation gets settled first and then we'll start having those conversations about expansion team, because if Oakland moves to Vegas, that takes a big chunk of market in that area of like, there's really no baseball teams really in that that area. Really. Yeah, so interesting, it's an interesting dynamic, you know. Yeah, no for sure.
Speaker 1:And, and I mean think about Montreal, right, I mean their colors, rich history too right. So when they left Montreal, and that was you know to, I mean their colors have a rich history too right. So when they left Montreal and that was to go to Washington, obviously, and now we have the Nationals, but Montreal, and you remember, they played in Puerto Rico for a little bit of time.
Speaker 1:And to have the Expos. Oh man, that would be pretty awesome too. But yeah, there's certainly a lot of cities out there that certainly probably deserve a team because they do have a fan base. But it's going to be interesting, it really is.
Speaker 3:I hope you guys enjoyed this episode with my brother. As a matter of fact, regarding our discussion with the well, actually, regarding the conversation about the Oakland Athletics and their move to Vegas, make sure you guys tune in next week where we will finish our conversation and then for the next couple of weeks, we will have the discussion from various fans as far as their feelings towards the move of the Oakland Athletics to Las Vegas and the whole mess that it is All of that. Anyways, make sure you guys again tune in next week. Also, make sure that you are following Val and myself. We are on all socials. Make sure you like and subscribe for this podcast, because you know what it is. Greatly appreciated. All right, and until then, guys keep grinding and always support the minor leagues, see ya.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
