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Is the new 12-team college football playoff format the game-changer we've all been waiting for, or does it still need some tweaks? Join us as we explore the potential and pitfalls of this revamped system. With Ed and Donnie at the helm, we dig into the concept of reseeding and whether conference winners truly deserve automatic byes. We draw intriguing parallels with college basketball and consider how an eye test, combined with data-driven ranking, could revolutionize fairness in the playoffs. Our analysis also takes a historical turn as we reflect on the impact of computer-based rankings and their role in shaping future iterations of college football.
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You paid the wrong player. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a level of dysfunction.
Speaker 2:By the way, both those players are no longer with the team Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you let the one guy walk that should have never walked and you paid the other guy and he just didn't earn it. He wasn't worth it because he shouldn't have given it to begin with. Is anybody there? Minute to begin with.
Speaker 2:All right, all right, all right. Well, welcome everybody to the DHC podcast. My name is Ed, also known as the Data, and with me I got my good friend, my companion, one of the co-hosts of the Data Chronicles sports show. That's right. Val is not with us tonight. We will be doing something a little bit different, ok, so we are starting a little segment. We're going to be talking to all about sports, right, this is the new year, this is the first recording of 2025. So, uh, what? Uh, you know, I put it on twitter, I put it on threads, uh, and I asked uh, everybody was like hey, do you want to? You want to hear about more about other sports? You want to hear just strictly baseball and um, it was overwhelmingly uh in favor of other sports, which I'm okay with because I'm a fan of all sports, right, except for tennis. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, totally kidding. I guess the Australian Open is going on right now.
Speaker 1:So there's, your tennis.
Speaker 2:talk right there, right, all right. So, but again, like I said, one of my good friends, my co-host, donnie Wise, also known as the mayor, my friend, how are we doing today?
Speaker 1:Doing great. Glad to hop on here with you and talk some sports topics and see what we can get into here for this.
Speaker 2:I'm sure we will agree on everything right, like always Right. And just so you guys know that Hacker Chronicle Sports Show it is on Tuesdays and Thursdays, 9 pm Eastern time on YouTube Make sure you guys go ahead and hit the subscribe and like button so that way you guys are always in the know. All right, and then also make sure you tell one more person about this. All right, donnie. The first topic that I want to discuss because we had a little pre-meeting and then we discussed what we wanted to talk about and one of the things that you know we have been having a a ton of discussion and especially me, I've been trolling people on threads is the college football playoff, and I want to get your thoughts on it because obviously we go back and forth on on some of these things and you know some of the things that we feel that should be tweaked, and but I want to get your thoughts first on how do you feel about, so far, this new version of the college football playoffs?
Speaker 1:I mean, I think it's better than it was. I think each step has been an improvement. Obviously, there's a lot of things they're going to have to adjust and tweak going forward, but until you change something, you really don't know what you need to fix about it. So you've got to pick a starting point. So I like the 12 teams. I don't think you could have. I mean, you could have gone just with eight and not had the buys.
Speaker 1:The problem is they're trying to accommodate everybody. That's always complained, Correct, and you can't just you can't do that. You've got to say this is what we're going to do, like it or not. I mean you'd have four teams and you'd have, you know, teams that are five and six in some of these smaller conferences complaining that they didn't have a shot. You know they go undefeated, Like a Boise State would go undefeated or somebody like that would go undefeated and they're like we can't even get into the four-team playoff. So now they throw 12 out there. There's plenty of slots for you. But then they give you a buy and it's like I know.
Speaker 2:I know, I know.
Speaker 1:You went too far with that one. It's like we're going to make you a spot and we're going to give you a buy for your conference and if you're, you know, one of the higher ranked conferences, and so they gotta adjust that yeah, but overall it's an improvement yeah, so so I, I and I and I'm not trying to, you know, put words in your mouth or anything like that but I think we can both agree that seating needs to be tweaked.
Speaker 2:uh, you know, at this point, right, I, I don't think that just because you won your conference you get to have an automatic buy. I think it should be like the uh, like basketball is college basketball that you win your conference, that gives you an automatic bid into the playoff. At that point you made it right, that's it, we're good, thank you. And then have a reseating of the teams that are put into the college football playoff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know how much the playoff committee utilizes the data that they got back when it used to be a lot of computerized, even you know, back to the era. I hope they use some of that in in companion with their eye test, because I I think the problem that started it was the computers and everybody's like well, the computer can't see the eye test of a team, they're just looking at numbers. Okay, you got to have both. I hope they. Everybody's like. Well, a computer can't see the eye test of a team, they're just looking at numbers. Okay, you got to have both. I hope they didn't go the other way. Hopefully they also take that into account as they tweak this, Because I think if you take the computer modules that they used to use and apply that with, then at least as a component or some percentage of the rankings of the teams, Correct, correct.
Speaker 1:Because you start looking at everybody, start complaining about strength of schedule and all these. You know not to pick on Virgil's favorite team, mercer, but you see these teams like that getting scheduled against Alabama's and so forth and you know they're good teams in their own right but that hurt, that should be hurting your strength of schedule and it doesn't affect it as much as it should be in the eye test. Part of it because they're like well, it's alabama, they should beat these people but let's put a computer module to it, because they don't play everybody in their conference. Because the conferences have gotten so big, they play a random, a random level of non-conference teams to begin with. So add that in, add the committee's eye test. Get rid of the buys, except for the top four teams. Whoever the top four teams are, they get the buy yeah, and I I agree with that.
Speaker 2:You know, and you know something that you said regarding the um, those, those easy games that they get to play, right, like I mean, I get that Right. You want a game or two at the beginning of the season, which I'm OK, I'm in favor of that, I'm good with that, I'm good with you having the early ones Right, the early ones are the good ones is when you schedule them towards the end of the season.
Speaker 1:It's sort of almost like a bye week is what you're scheduling? A practice week?
Speaker 2:right, and that's that's my issue is that, you know, my issue is like, like, really, you're gonna put you know uh, uh, mercer at the end of the season and then you're going and again, sorry, virgil, we're not picking on your team, I'll put, it's just the name that came up. But right, like I mean, you want to make sure that you are. If you're going to do that, you got to make sure that you know that if you put that at the end of the season, that is going to hurt your chances of your strength of schedule, because at that point your strength of schedule goes down yeah, and it should affect your.
Speaker 1:To me it should affect your strength of schedule more if you schedule them at the end of the season versus that same team, if you schedule them at the beginning of the year. Because you know, again, it's all about money, we all know that. So it's all about money for the small schools that's how they fund their programs is getting these paychecks to come play. And every once in a while somebody will upset somebody randomly or make a run at it. Yeah, in a while somebody will upset somebody randomly or make a, you know, make a run at it. But you know the the thing is it used to be even before the the whole BCS came about. You always had those three or four games at the beginning of the season and then you started your conference schedule and that's kind of how it was. And then you started having these, these matchups of ACC versus SEC and a kickoff game and week zero games and all that kind of mess, and so a lot of the teams started shuffling some of these weaker teams to later in the year, like right before a big rivalry game. So it's like, okay, we play our conference schedule, we get to the end of the year and it's either a conference big rivalry, like the Alabama-Auburn is, or it's like South Carolina-Clemson. That's always the Saturday of Thanksgiving. Sometimes Clemson, sometimes South Carolina will schedule a weaker team right before that.
Speaker 1:It doesn't happen every year. I think I even mentioned that normally we did this year, um, but, but the last four or five years it's just all been conference games. So, um, all that should be taken into account when it comes to to strength of schedule, not just who you play when you play them. And then you know a lot of the stuff about alabama. Everybody's like you know you lost to two six and six teams, yeah, and they're like, yeah, but they were sec teams, like well, that doesn't matter, you know, just because they're sec teams doesn't mean they're better at better six and six teams yeah, and I can't.
Speaker 2:I think this is also goes into what we also we were talking about, that the sec is no longer the sec that we know. The big 10 is not the big 10 that we know. Right, everything has changed and and I think that nil has really. You know, um has leveled out the playing field for a lot, of, a lot of teams, because we always talked about it. Okay, so now this player who could be starting in another team now has a chance to go to whatever you know um. You know FIA or whatever, right, florida International, right, and then FIU.
Speaker 2:And then you know, get millions of dollars, right, right, prime example, all right, listen, we got Carson Beck right, who just left Georgia. It is now transferred to Miami, the University of miami, and it is making 10 million dollars, right, right, so he's making more than a lot of rookie nfl quarterbacks right now and does not need to go into the nfl. Why? Because one, he he's already pretty popular. He's going to go to a pretty notable big school, so why even go? So now we're having this conversation, it's like well, he was in the SEC, that's the best. Conference Says who, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean exactly, and they like to still claim they are and that's fine. I mean they're in bed with ESPN. Espn promotes them, has their network, all that kind of stuff. And from the money standpoint, as far as ESPN is concerned, sec is the best conference Fox. Of course they're going to tout that and to some extent they are, but they're only that way, in my opinion, because they've been manufactured to be that way.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, it's such a pain in my. They get ranked. They rank all these teams. You rank seven or eight of the teams in each of these conferences in the top 20. And then you know they beat up the lower teams within their own conference and then when they play each other as highly ranked teams, it's touted as a big game and whoever loses doesn't drop very much because they lost to a highly ranked opponent or vice versa. It's like it's all a shell game in my opinion, the way it's done. And the other conferences you know the big 12, the acc, um and and the former pack 12, which is the pack 2, now um yeah, why even stay there.
Speaker 1:Just yeah, I mean, I I'll give them credit. They're rebuilding it and they're taking the money that all the other teams left behind, which is good because they still have the contractual obligation, so they're getting paid and they're kind of rebuilding it, but again they're not even going to be what they once were, because all the big, you know blue blood schools that were part of it are gone to these other conferences and eventually something else is going to come along. It's going to change.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it is but it always does yeah, a lot of these teams are going to pull away, the conferences are going to maybe go away, who knows. But you're right, these portal things as far as the player, you know, taking money to go somewhere else and stay a year in college, rather than GoPro, I mean, you got guys that are going to end up playing four or five years and make all the money they're ever going to make because they're never going to play in the nfl but, they're going to get paid a lot of college money to help promote these programs and all the money they make, and then they're going to just be like a college legend or some kind, but they're never going to play in the nfl it's like the minor league system for um for the nfl yeah, exactly, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1:I again, we always say it all the time If you can get the money, get it.
Speaker 2:But don't tell me that the system is one way when it really isn't that way. I definitely do not want to hear it from coaches saying that the system is broken. You broke the system, right. You know what I mean. Les Miles is a perfect example, right, he is complaining about players transferring. They shouldn't be like this. Dude has constantly been transferring, got you know, from school to school to school because of money. He's got more money where everywhere else it has broken. His contract has left the team there, like you know, dry at ball games and at, uh, championship games. So you know, I don't want to hear from coaches saying, well, it's, the system is broken. You know what?
Speaker 1:death here, yeah yeah, and and that. The funny thing is and I know everybody jokes on dabbo and I'll I'll get into this for just a second about not using the portal and that he needs to adapt or they're going to fall behind. You know what's going to happen, or what is happening is all these teams that were complaining about him not using the portal and him falling behind the times they're coming back to him because he looked at the portal the last few years. He's not found players in the portal better than what he feels he has on his team. This year we've brought in more portal players because it's not like he's refused to adapt, just like Paul Feinbaum has said. He's not refusing to do anything. He's being smart about how he does it. He's not just taking whatever, and I saw an article the other day that said that Clemson has the best retention rate of players leaving for the portal versus what they've got coming in. Granted, he hasn't had anything coming in for a while, but he's plus three. This year he's brought in five guys.
Speaker 2:He also hasn't had a lot of opportunities for, hasn't really shown a lot that he can win. So that's the thing, though he's going to get measured on whether or not you're going to make it back to the college playoff.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's not necessarily an issue with the portal either. That's been more coaching.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%. We can go into that one all day.
Speaker 1:That's not a portal issue Because show me the teams that have leapfrogged Clemson just because of the portal. There isn't any. There's players that have come to a team Ohio State maybe gets a player so they only get one or two players from the portal that make any kind of impact.
Speaker 2:Right. Remember when Desmond Howard was like well, you know, they bought players, not really, no, no, like. I mean, those players have been there. Have they gotten a couple players here and there? Absolutely Well, so has Michigan. So let's not say that. You know a lot of these players have been recruited and they have been there for a long time. So you know it falls on deaf ears when you say something like that. Ohio State has done it, alabama, michigan, all these Big Ten, you know, even ACC and SEC teams have done it. They have all done it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that goes back to what you said earlier about the playing field being more level, because all of the teams are doing it. You've got some teams that jumped all into the portal and started bringing in as many guys from other schools as they could. But what have we been saying about that is they're leaving a program for multiple reasons, and not all. Not the last reason that they're leaving is because they're so good they want to go somewhere else. They're leaving because they're so good they want to go somewhere else. They're leaving because they're not getting play in time, they're not getting the money they want, or they're just not happy with the program. It's not like oh, I'm leaving because I'm so good I deserve to play for a better school, correct, you know. And it's not like ohio state is out there collecting, you know, six heisman candidates for their team. This is not happening. That way.
Speaker 1:They're collecting eight or ten guys and they might have one or two that pan out. It's like a free-for-all a free agency.
Speaker 2:Again, there's nothing wrong with that. We're not saying that there's anything wrong with that. We're just saying that they're taking advantage of the situation that they have been put in right Because they are a big.
Speaker 1:The media shouldn't be selling me a bill of goods that this is the way it is and if you don't do this, then you're going to get left behind. No, you're not going to get left behind. Everyone else is going to eventually slow down to you.
Speaker 2:Listen, we watch ESPN. You and me, we watch ESn at nauseam. Right, we watch nbc sports. We, we do that, we watch it. We that, we, we love our sports. My, my issue with, like, uh, with espn right now is that it has become very evident that they are favoring one thing or another. Right, you know, like it is, it is, it is as clear as day. They favor the SEC. Right now. It is they're showing us. It's like they're coming from the top. It's like, hey guys, we need you guys to talk about the SEC. The SEC is what we need to talk about, because we have this contract with them and we need to push it. And that's my problem with Paul Feinbaum. Let's calm down. You know what I mean. Right, last, right, last time I checked, no SEC team is in the college football playoff championship. Right, and the only SEC team who was, by the way, from a different conference was the last one standing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, they've only been in the SEC this year, so right, I don't. I barely even count that as an SEC team making it. It's a technicality issue to me, because Texas is basically a Big 12 team that joined your conference and then beat everybody to the end of the line.
Speaker 2:Right, just got lucky with again our issue, and then we can have a discussion about this all for a whole, while Re-seeding that's the problem, right, Because they were able to take advantage of the seeding that they got. Oregon, on the other hand, got screwed on seeding, yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean Oregon should have had. They should have had won the bye to play the team that was coming from the lowest seed.
Speaker 2:They were the number one team all year.
Speaker 1:Right. They ended up kind of in a weird spot where they were the number one team all year and then, by the time it gets to where they're placed, their opponent is going to be somewhere in the middle of those first four games not the lowest seeded games.
Speaker 2:Ohio State put a whooping on them. Yeah, they just.
Speaker 1:That was not a good game and that was payback for Oregon winning the first game in a way.
Speaker 2:And I would say that Ohio State lost that game more than Oregon won the last game, exactly.
Speaker 1:And I think Ohio State was pissed and they wanted to. You know they wanted to rectify that issue and show that they should have won the first game and we're going to do everything we can to show you. And again, oregon's a Pac-12 team, they're not a Big Ten team.
Speaker 2:They're not. Neither is Washington. Yeah, yeah, if you think about it, give me another year and then we can talk about whether that should you know. Yeah, yeah, if you think about it, give me another year and then we can talk about whether you know Exactly.
Speaker 1:They came into the Big Ten and then they got a very favorable Big Ten schedule and then got lucky that, like you said, ohio State lost that game more than they beat Ohio State when it came down to it. Otherwise they're not even in the playoff. If they lose that game to Ohio State, they may not even be making the playoff because they would have lost that game early. And if that's their only loss, then they may end up making it like Penn State or somebody. One of the other teams came in from the conference as well. Well, that's interesting, but they wouldn't have been in the top seed either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you know what You're right. That's interesting. Oh, I didn't think about that. Also, penn State choked again, as usual. You know you get to the big game, you can't win the big game.
Speaker 1:Well, and then talking about the players, I was going to bring this up. When you're talking about the players jumping as well for money or for whatever, how about earlier the year, the quarterback from UNLV that sat after three games? He's like I'm not playing that fourth game in burning this year because you haven't given me my NIL money, correct? He's not going to play. And then he's entered the transfer portal and leaving UNLV over NIL dispute, where did he end up going to.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he's made a decision at this point the last article I see is from October, so I'm not sure at this time what he chose to go to but just the fact that he can sit there and say, no, I'm going to sit after three games, cause if you play the fourth, fourth game, then that year counts. And you're like okay, I'm going to get an extra year here because I'm going to transfer out, and it's okay, and everybody's like fine with it. And it's like wait a minute, that shouldn't happen either. Well, wait a minute, that shouldn't happen either.
Speaker 2:Well, at the same time. The schools kind of screwed him over at the same time.
Speaker 1:Right? Well, the thing is, did the school screw him over or not? Because there's no real rules on the NIL. So he's saying he got screwed over. The school may be saying that they didn't, who knows, because there's no set rule for how this is going to work. It's all still very, very fluid. So, um, again, that goes back to do you want to use the portal to improve your team? Do you bring a guy in like that that if he's not going to get his money, he's going to go somewhere else? And the thing is, how, how many years can you do that? Like you guys, eight, nine years in college, like just keep hanging on, hanging on, hanging on, like what are we doing here?
Speaker 2:And I'm one that I'm going to, most more likely than not, I'm going to side with the player on this one. But the only reason is, for so long ncaa and colleges were able to take advantage of the name and likeness right, right they were. They were able to sell all that merchandise. The players could not get a single dime out of it. Now they are, and, uh, and now a lot of the colleges are upset that they, the players, are able to do that.
Speaker 2:You know so they're trying to find the loophole and to try to get the power back right, I mean it's funny.
Speaker 1:This all started with johnny manziel. Oh god, yes, yeah, and that that's, that's what that's what is so funny to me about.
Speaker 1:it is like the guy that you know was all about the money, money and money, money, money. The whole reason NIL kind of morphed into what it is was because Texas A&M was making a fortune off of him and he couldn't sign his signature and get paid for it, or he couldn't go to a card show or he couldn't sell. They were selling a ton of jerseys and it's like, you're right, they're getting what they deserve?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. So it's a good conversation, my friend. I like this one. I like this one. We've been talking about this for a while now, and now that we're at the time of this recording, we know who are the top two teams that are going to make it to the college football playoff championship, which is Ohio State and Notre Dame.
Speaker 1:In my opinion, I think those are the top two teams that are the best teams left in the playoff, and so yeah, I mean everybody was like you know, georgia, georgia, georgia, georgia has not been that good of a team all year long. They haven't gated by on a lot of stuff. Texas has not been that good a team all year. They've kind of skated by. I mean it really, you know, Penn State, just Penn State.
Speaker 1:So yeah, penn State, penn State will do Penn State things yeah because people used to say that about Clemson Clemson is just Clemsoning, they get there and then they choke until we didn't. So yeah, I mean Notre Dame has been, and I hate to say it because Notre Dame is kind of a pretender to me, because they sort of got a toe in the water for the ACC.
Speaker 2:Oh, our friend.
Speaker 1:Eric is going to get you. But hey, all credit to Notre Dame. They have. And I love Marcus Freeman. I think that guy is one hell of a coach. Yeah, and you know I picked him to win it all earlier, you know, last week.
Speaker 2:You just picked him to win it all because you hate Ohio State.
Speaker 1:Well, true, but I also think, looking at it, I mean, granted, ohio state's kind of got a little little fire under their uh, yeah, they did skin right now, but, um, I just thought that, uh, notre dame is a more complete team overall and they've gotten better and better as the season's gone along in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Do you think that Notre Dame is a more complete team over Ohio State?
Speaker 1:More balanced and complete.
Speaker 2:yeah, Interesting, I think, ohio.
Speaker 1:State makes too many mistakes and they overcome a lot of mistakes because they've got the talent team.
Speaker 2:Notre Dame only won by three.
Speaker 1:Again, it's my opinion. I think that they are, to me, a more balanced team. We'll see how it shakes out. It's going to be a good game. I will say that I think it'll be a good game. It's not one of these where I think Ohio State's going to be a good game. I will say that I think it'll be a good game. It's not one of these where I think Ohio State's going to come out and blow the tops off on Notre Dame. Notre Dame's not going to let that happen, and you know Notre Dame's, they've got a lot of good players. Their only weakness is the quarterback can be a little sketchy at times, but again, that's because they've utilized the portal the last two years and brought an ACC quarterback to Notre Dame, and so they had Hartman last year, but they surrounded him with a team that all they needed was a guy that can manage it, and he managed it, and that's the same thing they've done this year.
Speaker 2:And there's nothing wrong with that. Again, we're not saying don't use the portal, do it. Here's my problem. I don't know if it's a problem, but I think it's going to. Now, marcus Freeman is about to interview for the Chicago Bears job. What do you do? Do you leave Notre Dame to go to Chicago? You know what I mean. That's going to be different and everybody's like well, you know these. You know these players are making millions of dollars. Nobody's going to listen to it there. A lot of these players that he has in Notre Dame are making millions of dollars. So it's, it's not like it hasn't changed, right? Uh, and again, we also talk about that. You know where that all of these players are making money. A lot of these players are not.
Speaker 1:Right, there's only a handful that make a lot of money.
Speaker 2:It's only a handful that are making the money, and the other ones are just there. They're on scholarship, on their loan or they're playing whatever. So I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we got talking about how how bryce young um kind of had a resurgence after getting benched earlier this year. He needed to sit and wait, uh. And then of course you've had your cj strouds um from last year that came in at the same time and was was better off the bat. You know everybody's. Everybody was like oh, panthers made a horrible mistake, they should have got CJ Stroud. I was one of them.
Speaker 2:I thought CJ Stroud was a better quarterback, so did.
Speaker 1:I and maybe he still is. But you know, some of these guys coming out they just need some time and that's something that they don't have anymore. And it seems like I mean I was trying to look back at see kind of where that started. I mean it was early 2000s, I think, is where it really started after um. I think it really started when they went to uh right after the sam bradford deal, because sam bradford was the last guy to like get drafted, get 50 million dollars and not work out. People were like, okay, we got to have a quarterback structure, a salary structure going in levels to start with, and these rookie deals began so that they weren't having to pay a guy $50 million.
Speaker 2:I feel bad, though, for Sam Bradford, because Sam Bradford was injury prone too True.
Speaker 1:A lot of injuries. That offensive line was shit, but he didn't deserve. At was shit, but he didn't deserve at that time. He didn't deserve a 50 million, 50 million dollar contract that would be like.
Speaker 1:That would be like drafting bryce young number one and giving him a 350 million dollar contract to start like he hasn't even done anything, because 50 million dollars back then was that's a lot of money. 50 is now yeah, um, from that standpoint, because it was 50 million over a few years. So that's what started it and we started the conversation. You know about some of the guys that have sat, like jordan love with green bay. You know he sat behind aaron rogers for a few years and everybody questioned green bay like what are they doing? They? They drafted this guy. Why are they not playing him? Is he not any good? Right, right, they knew he was good and it was cheap enough to keep him on the bench because they weren't paying him. And that's the whole issue in the media is you got some of the media saying you need to play him while he's cheap and the other saying you need to sit him while he's cheap. We need to play him while he's cheap and the other saying you need to sit him while he's cheap.
Speaker 2:We need to play now. We need to now. We want it now. We want it now. We're in that society where we want it right away.
Speaker 1:Right, Because the fan base wants to see the immediate result of this top draft pick that's supposed to be so great. One top draft picks, we all know, go to the worst teams. Two, they're probably the worst team because of the coaching, and now the coach is trying to survive on a player that's supposed to come in and do everything for them and some of these guys are just not ready. I mean. But it depends again and some of this will change too with what we just talked about how long do they stay in college? Are they 21, 22 coming out of college? Are they 23, four or five coming out of college? You?
Speaker 2:took 4 or 5 coming out of college. That's and I was just you. You took my point because that's what I was going to talk about like, are they developing in college, right? If you have someone that's got there's only spent two years in college and only really play the last year, bro, you gotta sit down exactly and you gotta learn. But you have someone like bo nicks, right, who went to auburn, then went to Oregon, right, and spent a couple of years developing in different systems and you know he has shown that he's been successful right now. Now we'll see, because you know there's always that that second year slump that you know we talk about. But we'll see if it, if it, pans out.
Speaker 1:Right, and a lot of times that slump comes because they get the tape on you and they start figuring out your tendencies, because that's their job, that's all they do is to figure out how to stop you. But you're right. I mean Bo Nix had over 60 games under his belt in college. I mean that's like three.
Speaker 2:I was going to say Duke got married.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like three NFL seasons worth of games. It's like he's coming into the league in his fourth year now, kind of thing. So, that being said, I was kind of looking back and trying to find out who was where and who started when, and so forth and so on. So just to rattle off a few. So these are some of the quarterbacks, and this list goes back to like 1920. Oh wow, 19 or 20 years to 2000.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, okay okay.
Speaker 1:So these are the quarterbacks that have come in first round and started right away Joe Burrow, kyler Murray, jameis, winston, andrew Luck, cam Newton. Right away, joe burrow, kyler murray, jamis winston, andrew luck, cam newton, sam bradford, stafford david carr, carson wentz, mariotta rg3, darnold matt, ryan mark sanchez, ryan tannyhill, ej manual, joe flacco. But then you get down here. You got kyle Bowler, brandon Whedon, I mean Deshaun Kaiser, one of your. Well, you've already said two of them yeah, quincy Carter, mike Glennon, russell Wilson, kyle Orton, winky, dak Prescott. Those guys all started right away first week. So these guys didn't. They didn't start the first week, but sometime in the second, through eighth week they came in. You got Joey Harrington, daniel Jones, Blaine Gabbert, ben Roethlisberger, jimmy Claussen, baker Mayfield, bortles, vince Young, byron Leftwich, Josh Rosen, teddy Bridgewater.
Speaker 1:We all had 40 quarterbacks. You're going to have a few on this list. Some of these guys, guys, I don't even remember Trent Edwards, trubisky Leinart, colt McCoy, tua, christian Ponder, josh Freeman, josh Allen, justin Herbert, deshaun Watson. You know some of these guys. I mean, I remember Josh Freeman was like a thing and then he wasn't. Um. So then, then you've got those guys that started the second half of the season right Dwayne Haskins, jared Goff, eli Manning, jason Campbell, nick Foles, alex Smith, cutler, drew Locke, charlie Fryts, derek Anderson, patrick Ramsey Tavares, jackson Jamarcus Russell I mean, those are all guys that started at some point in the first season that they were a pro Talk about a major boss dog Jamarcus Russell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, how many names out of that are seriously legit quarterbacks.
Speaker 1:I mean you've got. Stafford is a long time. Roethlisberger uh, you know some of these we don't know about yet. Cam newton worked out. I mean you might have had three or four guys totals out of all those names, but then then this is where it jumps. So you got these. These are the guys that started in year two that sat a whole one year Carson Palmer, Michael Vick, Jake Locker, Pat Mahomes, JP Lossman, Drew Brees, Simeon Jacoby, Brissett, Mark Bolger, Tim Tebow, Tom Brady, Chad Henney, Chris Sims, Brady Quinn, Colin Kaepernick, Josh McCown You're seeing it. After that one full year of sitting, you're seeing a better level of guys a little more.
Speaker 2:The percentage gets better for success Right.
Speaker 1:There's only three guys on this list that started year three, that sat for two years and didn't start till year three Phillip Rivers, tony Romo and Chad Pennington. And then you get to year four. It only goes to people that started after their fourth plus year Rex Grossman, aaron Rodgers, matt Schaub, kirk Cousins, matt Castle, garoppolo Osweiler, david Gerrard. So those are all in the last 24 years, first round quarterbacks that started either week one, first half, second half, or year two, three or four.
Speaker 2:So year two and year three really is the sweet spot.
Speaker 1:The sweet spot, because if you haven't started until year four, then what's wrong reason? Maybe that you're not and somebody eventually takes a shot, because there's still a couple of good ones there. But two and three, like you get that second, third year in. That's when you should be able to take it over the rack.
Speaker 2:That curve right. There is like okay, two, three, four, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:At that point you're back up yeah, and I get it when they want to start this guy. We've got to find out what he can do. Put him out there, he's not costing us anything. But again, what if they gave up on Bryce Young after last year? They're like, oh, this guy's a bust, we're just going to cut our losses and he goes somewhere else and he gets into that second and third year now with another team, a la sam darnold. Look at what sam darnold's done this year. I mean he was seeing ghosts a few years ago with a horrible jets team. That's still horrible. You know he took a pit stop in carolina. He took a pit stop in san francisco and I mean we've even joked about this. Him and Baker Mayfield made that Carolina pit stop. They made the California pit stop, one in San Francisco, one in LA, and now look at what they're doing. I mean, obviously Baker's been in there a little bit longer than Darnold, but still, some guys just need time and they need the right system.
Speaker 2:So I'll be the first one to say dude, I hated Baker Mayfield Absolutely and Cleveland, I hated Baker Mayfield Absolutely In Cleveland, fucking hated him. Right, he played like shit and the problem is he came in with this cockiness but then didn't back up. What was going on. Right, if you were to just, you know all right, humble yourself a little bit. I think that's what happened. Right, he was humbled by being sent to Carolina. No offense, I know that's your team, but you know what I mean. But he was Right. He was like we're trading you to Carolina because we don't think you're that good. He had to take a step back and be like shit. If I don't get it together, I'm out, out of the league. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:He was on the road to being the next Johnny Manziel, right behind him 100% Because he came in. He wasn't quite as crazy out there with the ego as Manziel, but he wasn't far behind Yep and he's figured it out while he's still in the league. I think Manziel's figuring it out now that he's no longer in the league.
Speaker 1:But that's his fault and got his stuff together personally, but yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things that's like, okay, you've got to live and learn. I mean, imagine giving these guys at 21, 22, you know, millions and millions of dollars, nothing but time on their hands, no structure as far as like classes and stuff. Not that they necessarily went to classes, but college life was a little more structured in some ways.
Speaker 2:And I think there was also a maturity level. I think that's what we're talking about, right, it goes back to the conversation that we were just having with college football. Right Now you're having these guys are coming in at 23, 24, 25. All right, now we have a little bit more maturity and, um, they're, they're able to handle more things. You know as an adult johnny manziel. Let's be honest, that dude was irresponsible. He was childish. That he was. There was no talking to him, he would not listen, he would not read the playbook, none of that. That Right, and it showed. Yeah, if he would have just applied, he could have been special. He could have been that Drew Brees player, he could have been that Pat Mahomes, but he didn't because he didn't want to. Could no one tell him?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:He just wanted to party.
Speaker 1:Have a good time. I got plenty of money.
Speaker 2:Go to Vegas party, have a good time. I got plenty of money go to vegas, have. Just he wanted to live the the big life well, and the funny thing is he comes from oil money. Right, right, you know what I mean. So like it, just it was right.
Speaker 1:In between the ears, yeah, and that's what really pissed me off yeah, and and some of these kids, you know they come out and they are pretty mature because they've again, it goes back to a lot of times, goes back to your upbringing. You know, I don't know personally, but if you're if you're Manziel and you're a spoiled brat more balanced, then you're going to have more of that maturity coming out of college because your family gave you some of that maturity. I mean, it's all upbringing and who you surround yourself with. And that's one of the things I was hearing about Bryce Young.
Speaker 1:Again, like I said, I wasn't sure what we were doing at the beginning of the year playing him. I'm like I just don't know about this guy. I was happy when he was benched because he wasn't doing anything good, but I was also the same guy that was happy when he came back and was becoming successful and he changed my opinion of him which is the reason this whole conversation we're having now came about was talking about that and the fact that he has this cool calmness about him. And everybody said he had that at Alabama. Well, he had it at Alabama because he didn't have to do as much at Alabama. He had such a powerhouse team around him, right, all he had to do was manage it, so it was easy to have it.
Speaker 1:Then when you come to the NFL and it's all on your shoulders and you don't have that powerhouse team around you.
Speaker 2:In college. They fed him that information right Because he didn't have to go through all that. But now you're in the NFL and it's like oh boy.
Speaker 1:As a fan, I'm happy to see he's starting to make progress here, if he can just keep the owner out of the way, we'll be all right. Well, that's a whole different conversation. We can talk about ownership, and then that is going to be oh, boy, because you and I both have terrible owners, but right now our teams are in two different directions.
Speaker 2:Despite that, my team has the number two overall pick, which, by the way, they're saying it's a lock, call it. They're getting a quarterback because of the Sean Watson. Yeah, let's leave it at that because I'm going to go. I'm going to go on a different tangent and we got to move on. You know, I love this one because this is a good segue of what we know our uh.
Speaker 2:Our final uh topic here that you and me were talking about here is dysfunctional teams. They are dysfunctional because of they have a lot of good players to have a really good head coach. I really am a fan of uh stephansky. Right, I am andrew barry's a good gm. I'm a fan of gm. You know a lot of people they they have they disagree with. What a lot of the stuff that he's done. The one thing that I'm finally happy that it is it is done. The experiment is done. Deep odessa is done.
Speaker 2:In cleveland he's gone, no more, right, he was always working remote. He wasn't even even cleveland, right? He never really living in cleveland. He was always in california, which really pissed me the hell off. Right, you're helping me do your job, right, and you live in California, all right. So that's that the Deshaun Watson. And before anybody says anything and I'll say this because a lot of people are giving the Cleveland Browns a lot of shit for this there were a lot of teams that were lined up to sign up to get to sean watson yeah, cleveland was actually not the team that he wanted to go to and was not really leading candidate to get him nope, they were actually out of the uh the contention they were.
Speaker 1:They were actually told they were out of it, and I don't even remember who the other teams were.
Speaker 2:Atlanta was going to be the one that they were going to go to. He was going to choose. He was going to choose Atlanta.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which in retrospect.
Speaker 1:I wish he would have. Well, yeah, I mean, who knows where Atlanta would be? But yeah, I think everybody was shocked with Cleveland and the problem was, again, your owner gave him a guarantee that none of the other teams were willing to give him as far as the total amount.
Speaker 2:And they shouldn't have.
Speaker 1:They were all wanting to give him the same amount of money. I think they were actually offering him more money in Atlanta than the 230. They just weren't guaranteeing it.
Speaker 2:They shouldn't have. And, by the way, he actually might lose the last two years of his contract because he's an idiot, you're eight weeks out, you're supposed to wear it for 10 weeks. You don't wear your boot. You're. You make a tiktok video in december while your team is playing, getting their asses handed to them, and you're playing.
Speaker 1:You're doing tiktok videos in miami which, like you said, what are you doing in mi, miami, when your team's still playing anyway? So why are you on vacation? Because you're injured. And, like I said, you and I had the conversation. This is not the Deshaun Watson that I remember from school, from Clemson, that I rooted for. I'm not sure where his choices changed, other than they were in Houston is where they were, but I mean, I just don't know at what point in his life he stopped being the guy that he was, or at least he appeared to be, I should say when he was in school. And again, this kid could have been a hall of fame quarterback. He had the talent to be that, he had the whole setup to be that. A Hall of Fame quarterback, he had the talent to be that, he had the whole setup to be that.
Speaker 2:And then it just poof. The city of Cleveland gave you the keys to the city. I mean, they literally just opened up their arms. They're like all you had to do was come in and win.
Speaker 1:That was as fresh a start as you could get from the turmoil. He was in with all the lawsuits and everything. You got a team that's willing to just give you all this money. All you got to do is just come in and keep your nose clean and play football.
Speaker 2:And you couldn't even do that, couldn't even do that Unreal. So, all right, let's move on to another team that we have here and is the New York football giants.
Speaker 1:That's just a management nightmare right there. You know, it's like we we talked about. I mean, teams don't like to go on hard knocks. And then you go on hard knocks and you have edit control and you don't edit out a conversation that was filmed, with you basically letting the best player you had walk away so that you could pay another guy more money than he deserves you paid the wrong player yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a level of.
Speaker 2:By the way, both those players are no longer with the team right, yeah, I mean the guy.
Speaker 1:You let the one guy walk that should have never walked and you paid the other guy and he just didn't. He didn't earn, he wasn't worth it because he shouldn't be giving it to begin with.
Speaker 2:That's the whole thing. It's like you got, you gave Daniels all that money and then you go in that same year that you let Barkley go to Philadelphia, which, by the way, I mean talk about just like he's still within your division, and that's the other thing. Yeah, in the division too.
Speaker 1:It wasn't even that you let him go somewhere else. You let him go to the same division.
Speaker 2:Well, in the general manager he was such a cocky dude so I was like, yeah, he's not going to get anything and I was like, yeah, go ahead, Find out, figure out. He sure did out, figure out, yeah, he sure did. The two players that have really made their, their, their opportunity?
Speaker 1:uh, is him and henry. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I. I mean I get that tennessee was maybe trying to start over a little bit. They didn't want to pay that money. But I mean, tennessee, derek Henry is all you had. I mean, if you'd have kept him, maybe Will Levis looks like a better quarterback and he's got a running back to help take the pressure off.
Speaker 2:Who knows, I was just thinking the same thing.
Speaker 1:It's like the fact that the NFL has undervalued the running backs. Back to Le'Veon Bell. It started there. Le'veon Bell thought he was worth $14 million and Steelers were like no, you're not Forgive me for saying this, piss away $60 million on a quarterback, but they won't give a running back $14 million. That's like a friend of mine used to say you're tripping over dollars to pick up dimes. It's like what are you doing? Pay the running back $. Yep, you know. It's like what are you doing? Like, oh God, pay the running back 14 million and then make the quarterback work and you keep the running back happy. Like how is that? I don't understand how you can't fit a $14 million contract for running back in a salary gap.
Speaker 2:And not only that, but, like everybody and their mother saw that Daniels was not the right quarterback for the Giants. Everybody saw it, everybody saw it. But you're playing with analytics and you're playing with, you know, thinking they'll say well, the running back is not, we can just plug in any running back in that position and they'll be fine, there'll be no issues Right Forgetting that you have one of the best, most premier running backs in all of NFL, yep, in all professional football. And not only that, you look like an ass that when he's breaking records and he is getting those incentives, and all of that because, boom, you let him go, yeah, and now you have nothing to show for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you thought nobody's going to give him that kind of money. It's like that just shows you had, no, no real evaluation of your own talent at that point, because you should have been like, hey man, there's somebody who's going to pay this guy and we better not let him walk. But yeah.
Speaker 2:So you know, we and we talk about this, functionality and all that, but there's one team that takes the cake when it comes to dysfunction. There's one team that as bad as the Browns and as bad as the New York Giants are. There's one team that is just above all of that. They said hold my beer, hold my liquor. We will be that team, and that is the New York Jets and the.
Speaker 1:Jets. I give them credit. They tried. They were like, okay, we're going to go out, we're going to get Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is a great quarterback, he's a Hall of Fame quarterback. We're going to go get him, and then it just does not work.
Speaker 2:Here's my thing, though, and you know how I feel about him. Yeah, oh, yeah. So Aaron Rodgers, the last year and a half, two years in Green Bay, he was diminishing in talent. Yeah, he was also becoming more of a cancer. He was more of a cancer and more of a distraction that he was to help with the team.
Speaker 1:I think what the Jets saw, though, was the Jets saw that they didn't have a quarterback because they had drafted Darnold. They drafted these other quarterbacks that weren't working out. It was like, okay, we've got these receivers, they have these other skilled position guys that are young. Let's go get a veteran quarterback. That may be diminishing, that may be, with whatever weird personal issues he deals with. He's still Aaron Rodgers. He comes to New York, he's got the limelight. Maybe it'll'll click. They're trying to catch lightning in a bottle, is what? And who knows, maybe if he doesn't go down in that first game with the achilles issue, maybe this is a whole other story from last year. But he has the injury and then how he handles the injury and the rehab and the whole, just the whole logistics of that Everybody, even his own teammates, were like rolling their eyes, just like you did and I get it. I mean I did too. It's like what, what is this guy's bit deal here? Like what is he doing?
Speaker 2:And he was to be the smartest person in the room.
Speaker 1:And he always has tried to be that and he's not. He's not that at all. The thing is, he got away with it more before because he was winning, but he was on an organization that gave him what he needed to win Yep.
Speaker 2:And he was great. He'll end up going into the Hall of Fame Like listen, I'll even admit that like, right, you got to take the person, put the person aside and then take a look at the skill set and everything that he's been able to do. He was a great quarterback. Right, he's no longer that quarterback because he's a 40-year-old quarterback that cannot throw the ball the way he wants it, and that's what made him so successful. Here's the thing. The problem is with Aaron Rodgers. You cannot divide that because of he brings that person into the locker room. He does so much bullshit when he's blaming coaches, he's blaming players, but he's never taken accountability for his own actions accountability for his own actions.
Speaker 1:Right he's, if he would have just been like if he had just taken it all on himself period, whether he liked it or not. But he's just not going to do that. His personality will not allow him. And you know all the I. You know I could care less what you do in the off season, what your, your personal beliefs and personal lifestyle is like. If you're my quarterback, I just want you to win, but I also don't want you to bring that crap to work either 100% Once the season starts. It better be about football, not all this other mess.
Speaker 1:Not about you going into a dark room and then getting inoculated the fuck not all this other mess, not about you going into a dark room and and then you know if it works if it works for you, that's fine, and if it, if it helps us win games, I could care less. But the the fact that you you put it in everybody's face that it's better and you're better than them because of it. That's where you start rubbing everybody the wrong way who's gonna want him now?
Speaker 1:who's gonna want exactly I, I. And the thing is, I think I think he wanted to prove that if tom brady could do it, he could do it. I think that has something to do with it in my mind. I think that's how he saw some things like hey look, tom did this, I and I'm as good or better quarterback than he is. He's not you're not.
Speaker 2:Let's be honest, he's not. What tom brady has is well aaron rudge will never have. You know what I mean. Tom brady was actually a really smart quarterback yeah, 100 he's a smart person, person.
Speaker 1:But Tom wanted to work at everything, yep, and he held the expectation to the other guys above and beyond anything else. And those guys I mean it's even said people came to New England to play with Tom, not for Belichick. So that says all you need to know, right there, people, and let's not take anything away from belichick, because belichick is a great head coach.
Speaker 2:he's going to go into the hall of fame. And now I'm really intrigued on what he's going to do with north carolina, but that's a different topic, right, but like it's like I'm so intrigued by that, yeah, um, but aaron, right again. And then, and then know, and let's take a look at the ownership side of things, right. Then you know, because Aaron Rodgers is not happy, you want you fire your head coach. Right, he wasn't the reason that the team was bad. All right, if anything, the defense got worse as soon as he got fired.
Speaker 1:I think the defense gave up on the team and the ownership because they fired him. I think they supported Sala. They liked him as a head coach because he was one of their guys. He was a defensive minded guy. I just think they just said we're going to stick it to ownership here for firing this guy. You're right, sala wasn't the problem. He may not be the best coach either, but they weren't giving him the best tools to work with.
Speaker 2:Then you get why we see her saying that if Aaron Rodgers comes back, they want out. Like when you see that in the news, like you're Aaron Rodgers, you're sitting and you're hearing this and you're like like, how do you not think to yourself like shit, am I the problem?
Speaker 1:Right now, if you're Aaron Rodgers, you're like well, those guys are idiots.
Speaker 2:I thought you know who I am.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:And you go on, pat McAfee, and you're talking all this shit and you're calling people out, and then, on top of that, you call people out and then you don't have the receipts to back it up. That's my issue with Aaron Rodgers. It's just that he talks so much shit and never backs it up.
Speaker 1:Well, and the thing that two of these three teams have in common is bad ownership.
Speaker 2:The Giants have great ownership. In my opinion, they've always been bad ownership.
Speaker 1:Oh God, yeah, the Giants have great ownership. In my opinion, They've always been great ownership. I just don't know if they've hired the right people to run the football side for them lately.
Speaker 2:I'll give the Giants credit. When that news came out, where when he went for Philly right, he made a commercial. Saquon Barkley, when he made that commercial about losing sleep and all that Right, deona was like I'm actually upset. You didn't call me. You know we could have played on this whole losing sleep. I've definitely lost some sleep because of this Right. You know also, like I mean he was he. He knew right that there was a mistake. At least he knew there was a mistake. But the problem is he did not get rid of the mistake. The person who made the mistake, he kept them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that that's where that that's where their dysfunctionality comes into play is. You're traditionally one of the best ownership groups there is. People know your name only because you've owned the team forever and ever, not because you meddle. And now they know you because you screwed up and didn't get rid of a guy that screwed your whole organization up.
Speaker 2:Right. And now you're oh God, that's so bad. Right, Because you have owners like the Haslam's in Cleveland who need to be in the know, they need to be making the decisions. They're the ones who drafted Johnny Manziel. They're the ones who drafted Baker Mayfield ahead of Josh Allen. Right, I was like man, we should be drafting Josh Allen, Josh Allen during that time. He would have fit perfectly in that system. But no, the ownership wanted that flashy player, that cocky player, and look what it got him he's in Tampa. Granted, they just lost the playoffs, right, but still.
Speaker 2:They're in the playoffs still cleveland browns are on vacation, right, looking for a quarterback, looking for an offensive coordinator, looking for an offensive line. Uh, coach, and what really, really irks me and sorry guys, I do apologize, but I know it's brown state parlor the fact that, like Buffalo Bills told them about their OC and exactly what the issue was, and the Browns still hired him.
Speaker 1:What the hell.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Look what happened to Buffalo as soon as they fired him and they got rid of him.
Speaker 1:They got better.
Speaker 2:Exactly, yeah. So you know what it was funny the Carolina Panthers are not here, Even though they have a pretty bad owner. The Carolina Panthers are not on this dysfunctional. If we're due, top five, maybe, but you know we've got to give top four to the Tennessee Titans. They are on it.
Speaker 1:I think, and I don't know if the owner made a conscious decision. And I don't know if the owner made a conscious decision. Tepper, that is to not be as involved, or maybe he is as involved. I don't know what the right word is, but last year, with hiring Frank and then changing coaches and this, that and the other, he was overly involved. He was in the news for the wrong reasons he didn't get frank.
Speaker 2:That uh a chance either right.
Speaker 1:So this year he brings in canalis and he's like a ghost. Now, like you, don't see or hear from him, which is a good thing. I'm not complaining, I don't know if he made the conscientious decision, or if it was a thing where where canalis was like I gotta run the team and and he agreed to it. I don't know, leave me the fuck alone.
Speaker 2:Whatever it is, it's working and I'm happy that it's working yep, I agree so, and then you know we'll have you and me, we'll sit down again, we'll talk uh draft. But you know, as of right now you're looking at the giantsants number one, tennessee Titans. Number two, cleveland Browns. Number three, the Raiders. Number four, another dysfunctional team, the New England Patriots. Number five, then Jaguars, saints, panthers, chicago and New York Jets.
Speaker 1:See, I think a lot of what's going to happen in the draft will get clearer once some of these teams have our coach, and again, we'll get into this as we get closer to the draft. But I think Vrabel is a great hire for the Patriots yes.
Speaker 1:And then again, news today which will be old news by the time this hits the airwaves is Mike McCarthy's out in Dallas and we'll see where he goes. I mean, it's one of those things like they didn't want anybody else to talk to him, which was their right, because they had exclusivity to negotiate a new contract with him. I think he went in and he either asked for more money or more control than Jerry wanted to give him, knowing that if he asked for more control he was going to get fired. He was going to be out. More so than Jerry will give him money.
Speaker 2:He's not giving him control, that's another bad owner right there, like from the entertainment side. Great owner, entertainment, awesome Football.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean he's been bad again. Like he said, it's his money, it's his team and he wants to run it the way he wants to run it. Fine, but when you're this bad for this many years, I mean the last time they won a Super Bowl, I was three years away from being a dad, my son's 28 years old. I mean oh good.
Speaker 2:Well, my team has never won the Super Bowl. They're the only team that never hosted or ever played in a Super Bowl we could have a whole show on NFL owners. Oh god, we could because there's so many bad ones. Maybe we should bring that on during the DHC sports show, maybe, so yeah that'd be a good topic to hit on there a little bit too.
Speaker 1:But yeah, where these coaches land, who gets hired? Yeah, that'd be a good topic to hit on there a little bit too. Yep, but yeah, where these coaches land, who gets hired? That's going to start dictating a few of the things, because it's not a great draft, no, and there's so many teams that have needs that they're not going to be able to fill with the draft, so it's going to be interesting to see what players start changing teams too. Who gets protected, who doesn't?
Speaker 2:Correct. My friend. This has been a good conversation. I love it. Thank you for doing this with me. We'll be doing this more often. We'll. I'm sure we'll figure some things out that we can disagree on, but I want to make sure a couple of things before we we get going. Guys, make sure that you guys are following on on Instagram Threads, blue Sky, even Twitter. Make sure you go to the YouTube channel so that way you guys hit the subscribe button and like the show, because and I say this because that's where we are also showing the DHC Sports Show right, we do it every Tuesday, every Thursday, 9 pm, eastern time. We talk about all sorts of sports. Apparently, there's a list going on a bracket that will be coming out soon of the things that Ed hates yes, some of the things that I hate when it comes to sports Some people, some players, some teams. You got to tune in to listen to Lots of options there's at least.
Speaker 2:we went past the NCAA college football playoffs and we went straight to the NCAA college basketball playoffs because there's that many. So there's already some teams, some regions that have been named. So there's that. But again, guys, thank you so much for joining us. We will see you guys next time and we'll you know if you guys how about this, if you guys want some topics that we can discuss, we'll talk about. Let us know and then we will most certainly talk about them. We will see you guys in the next one. Hey, this has been a curvebread media production.
