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The DHC Podcast
Journey into Tennis and Its Iconic Players
The episode invites listeners into the world of tennis, unraveling its unique scoring and rules while highlighting personal experiences and rivalries. As Mike explains the intricacies of the sport, the hosts aim to make tennis accessible and enjoyable for everyone.
• Introduction to tennis and personal connections
• Mike's journey through tennis fandom
• Explanation of tennis scoring and rules
• Differences between singles and doubles matches
• Overview of the four Grand Slam tournaments
• Exploration of court surfaces and their impact on play
• Discussion on coaching and player training
• Evolution of umpire roles and electronic systems
• Emphasis on the community aspect of the sport
• Call to action to learn and engage with tennis
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Is anybody there? All right, all right. Well, welcome everybody to the DHC podcast. My name is Ed, and get ready, everybody, Get ready, because this is the episode many people are not going to see coming. This is a very, very surprising episode for me. With me I have a good friend, fellow podcaster, Mr Mike Sellers. I will ask you here in a second to talk about your podcast here. But you know how you been my friend, how is everything? How is everything going with you?
Speaker 2:Other than the extremely terrible weather I'm going through right here in Ohio right now, it's going good.
Speaker 1:I was in Ohio a couple of weeks ago. Were you Last week. Actually, that's the time of this recording. Yeah, it was not fun recording. Yeah, it was not fun.
Speaker 2:From what I understand, it sounds like Ohio is not exclusive to this terrible weather across the country right now, but it is terrible right now.
Speaker 1:We had some snow and everything here in North Carolina, so, whatever, before we continue, guys, I want to make sure that you guys are always in the know. So make sure to go to the YouTube channel, because I am recording this one as a video as well. It will go to the youtube channel because I am recording this one as a video as well. Uh, so it will be on the youtube channel. Uh, that had chronicles. Uh, make sure you subscribe and you like this uh episode wherever you get your podcast, so that way you guys are always in the know. And then make sure you tell one more person about it all. Right now that we got the business out of the way, are you ready?
Speaker 2:I'm very ready. Ever since you asked me about this, I'm like I haven't been this excited for an interview in a long time.
Speaker 1:All right, so the topic of this episode tonight is going to be tennis.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:You heard that, right, everybody, it is tennis. The reason I wanted to talk about tennis? Because for years now, you and me, we've been going back and forth about the sport and everything, and then what better person to teach me the sport from a high level, right, you know, obviously none of us can play. I, you know, it is what it is, but you watch a lot more, uh, tennis than I do. You are, you know, pretty much educated when it comes to that. So I want I have a set of questions, okay.
Speaker 1:So here's what happened. I ended up going on chad gpt and I was like chad gpt set a set of questions for me to ask someone about the sport of tennis. And you know what? Obviously, I made some modifications to this list, but I like these questions. So I'm going to ask these questions and then we're going to have a conversation about this and let's see how this goes, because we have no idea. But here we go, all right, all right. So first of all, I want to know my question to you is, as a fan of the sport, like, what got you interested in tennis? Like why?
Speaker 2:So that's a yeah, that's a good question because you know, like the more common sports, like obviously football, baseball, basketball, is just what I grew up watching. I grew up watching, but my dad, uh, he was just like a fan of every sport to some degree, just whatever the season was. There would just be a little bit of that on tv again. Obviously the major sports far more, but when there's the indy 500 for racing, we'd be watching it. If there was, you know, the masters and golf, like some of the bigger events like this, so to to speak, it would be on TV. Typically we weren't as into it and stuff like that, but for some reason when the tennis was on, I just liked it a lot more than the other lesser-known sports.
Speaker 1:You just gravitated towards that, huh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the word I was looking for. And then, for whatever reason too, we watched it a little bit like said growing up, but it was when I was about uh 12 or 13 and this seems like something I'm just making up because of the way it turned out, but it's true story. One of the first tournaments when I was really getting focused in on it was, uh, Wimbledon 2003, and I decided that while I was watching it, one of the guys in there I started really liking, and that guy's uh name was roger federer. And yeah, and that guy, he won the tournament was his first grand slam title.
Speaker 2:so the fact that I then started, uh, had a not just interest in the sport but started actually having the person, specific person, to root for, and then that was right when he was taken off, so the fact that he was so good to obviously gave me even more of a rooting interest. And so, yeah, just slowly grew from there. And then two of my brothers both started watching it a little more as I watched a little more, and then over time one of them became a fan of Nadal, the other one became a fan of Djokovic. So we had this whole sibling rivalry going to of our favorite players all going back and forth. So whenever they played, there was that added, you know, rivalry going on in our household too. So so that's your player.
Speaker 1:That was your favorite player yeah federer.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's awesome dude. Yeah, I like it, thank you. Thank you, I like it, I like it all. Right, you know, and listen, I am not a, I'm not someone who, uh, it's going to be like, oh, I just mess with you. To be honest with you, like I really don't hate any sport, you know, I'll watch anything. Yeah, you know Coco golf, you know, like, I mean the girls. Like, obviously, at the time of this recording, the Australian australian open is going on. Um, she made a lot of mistakes, from what I understand, eliminated and no longer, you know, participating in the australian open. Do you get that right? You got that?
Speaker 2:right, and she did make it to the I think it was the quarterfinals where she got eliminated too, so she still still had a pretty good tournament. She just lost a little sooner than she was didn't expect yeah, okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 1:So let's talk about somewhat. And again, I'm not, I'm not going to pretend that I'm an expert in this sport. I am, obviously I'm not. I am what you called a novice in the sport. So I want you to teach me here what are some of the basic rules that I, as a, as a fan of tennis, should know.
Speaker 2:I think if you're starting to like tennis, the first basic thing you need to learn is the scoring system, because it's so much different than any other sport and I like it because, yeah, it takes a little bit of time to learn it because it can be a little confusing. But before I get into what the specifics of the scoring system are, what I like about it is, unlike most sports, it's like you're never out of it. You can say the same for baseball, because there's no time. But this is even more than baseball, because baseball you still only have so many chances because there's still 27 outs, all that stuff. So if the team's got a, a large lead, they could not play well the last couple innings themselves and still just hang on to win.
Speaker 2:But in tennis you're basically playing to a score. So even if someone is winning by a lot, they still have to keep scoring more points to actually finish it off. So a large lead is never completely safe, which is one thing I like about it and the way it kind of breaks down it. Also some points. You know every point is technically worth the same amount. It kind of gets to a certain point where some points are more valuable than others where you know you could be one or two points away from getting a huge lead or the other person completely tying the match. So, okay, how I'll get into that is there's, um. So basically there are slight differences between men and women. Okay, scoring. The only, the only difference in the scoring is men will sometimes play best of five sets, women always, 100 of the time, is just best of three sets why is is that?
Speaker 2:Because stamina the men can have more stamina. Because these five-set matches. It's not rare for it to take three or four hours. It sometimes takes five and six hours.
Speaker 1:I think the longest tennis match has been 11 hours. I believe it was.
Speaker 2:It was yeah, and they changed the rules since then to basically get where you basically can't have that long of a match before again, and I'll explain that in a minute what they've changed. But that's the only real difference between the men and women.
Speaker 1:Five for men sets yeah, and three for women, correct, okay, all right.
Speaker 2:And because of the additional time, even the men only do the best of five in these grand slam events like the australian open, french open, wimbledon and us open. So when it's okay any of the other tournaments. Even the men are only doing best of three okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that's the first thing. You got to win two sets. Again, the best of three. I'm just kidding. Now I got that out of the way, I'm just going to go off of it being best of three. So, yeah, I win two sets, and to win a set you've got to win six games, and to win a game you got to win four points. So that's the very simplistic version of it. But a single game is when you got. You got in the four points, but when you score starts out as zero, zero, but they call it love, and then zero.
Speaker 2:Zero is love correct anything with the zero in tennis they refer to as love okay so let's just say we're playing the first point of the match, the game's just started. It's love. Someone scores a point. It's not 1-0. It's 15-love.
Speaker 1:Okay, 15-love Okay.
Speaker 2:Then the person gets another point, it's 30-love. They get the third point, it's 40-love. Then if they get that fourth point, it's 40 love. And then if they get that fourth point, they win the game and now it's 1-0 in the set okay time out, because we're going.
Speaker 1:The first point you get is 15, then you double it up 30, that's 2 points, and then, instead of going to 45, you're going to go to 40. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:So there's and from what I can gather, they don't even know for a fact the reasoning for that. But I've heard two schools of thought. Okay, one of them is that it was originally 15, 30, 45, but that the people that were playing it whenever they were like just saying out loud what the score was they were just verbally were shortening the 45 to 40 because just save time or whatever, and that they eventually just cut it to 40. But what I believe is the more more likely option is that when tennis started they said they kept score by using like a clock. So they would like to score one point, they would move it to the 15. You score another point, you move it to the 30, then the 45. And when you get to the top you score. But here's the reason why it would change to 40 instead of 45. Because if both people get to 40 before anyone gets that fourth point, then they call it deuce. You have to win by two points.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So it could be an unlimited amount. You could play a hundred points. You have to win by two 41, 42. No, it's just 40, 40. And then it's advantage If we're playing and I get the first point, it's advantage, shellers.
Speaker 1:And if you tie it up it's just deuce again. Man listen, Okay, Okay Okay.
Speaker 2:So that being the case again, imagining you're keeping score on this clock they switched it supposedly to where you're at 40, and then if you get the advantage, they just move it by 10. So all of a sudden they move it up to the 50. If it's a tie, again they just bring it back to 40, but then because obviously otherwise you go overboard. So that's the couple variations I've heard of, why they do it that way. But giving get past the reasoning once you win by two, once you get at least four points and win by two, then you're up one to nothing in the one to nothing games in the set. Now you play to six games, but similarly, if you get to five to five, you gotta win by two as well. Right, but because this? Because this is a lot more than just individual points it would take a lot longer to win by two games.
Speaker 2:So if you both get to six, then they do what they call a tie break, and then you got to score seven points, still got to win by two. But whoever does, whoever gets to seven points and wins by two, wins the set. Now, if it's the final set, so the third set of a best of three or the fifth set of a best of five. You, they play the tie break to 10 points instead of seven. Just extended a little bit, but that's the rule change. And that's the rule change I was talking about a little bit earlier because it used to be in that fifth set. They just didn't do that tie break at all. They just said you had to win by two games period so that longest.
Speaker 2:That longest match ever went to 70 to 68 in the, the fifth and deciding match. And that's not points, that's games which are at least four points per game. So that match took three days and 11 hours. So you can see why that's. Technically it could happen, because it's still unlimited points theoretically that someone could score, but, excuse me, extremely unlikely now that it could ever get that high.
Speaker 1:Why do they confuse it? Why do they make it so confusing?
Speaker 2:That's a good question, but once you do get it down, like I said, the scoring is great because, since it's by sets, it's almost like a World Series. You can have one terrible game, but still just one to nothing. So there's that, and what I like is then, if it gets into the tie break, like I was talking, where you gotta win, gotta get seven points and win by two yeah like, let's say, I'm already down one set to nothing and we're playing, and it's uh, six to six in the tiebreak.
Speaker 2:If you score the next point all of a sudden, you're now one single point away from winning the whole match. But if I won that point instead, I'm one point away from breaking it completely. Even so, that's where it's like, technically, all these points are equal. But when you get in situations like that, the pressure mounts so much and that's why you truly are never actually out of it.
Speaker 1:This is wild.
Speaker 2:It is wild. I remember when I was watching it as a kid, like I said, I would kind of casually watch it. My mom she would. If it was the championship match, especially if it was Federer versus Nadal, she would sit down and kind of watch it with us. But that was about the only situation. So every time we'd have to explain all these rules to her, and then she wouldn't watch it again for a long time. So she would get it, but then she wouldn't watch it again for a long time. So when it came down a year later, whenever we'd watch it, we'd have to explain it to her again.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, dude, that's a lot bro.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:I'm a little exhausted just from explaining it yeah, I mean we're almost 20 minutes in and then you've already lost me with the scoring. I mean we haven't even talked about, like you know, differences between singles and doubles. You know how to, what's the proper way of swinging the tennis racket, you know when you're serving and how you settle that man listen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and even that was probably a pretty fairly summed up version of, I mean, that was the rules, but I was still even felt like I was even kind of rushing through it a little bit.
Speaker 1:How long did it take you to learn all these rules?
Speaker 2:The scoring specifically or or everything else, yeah the scoring.
Speaker 2:You know, not, not as long as you would think. I mean, I guess it took probably a lot longer to get to some of those specifics as far as like, well, if it's the fifth set, you go to 10. And why they call it 15, 30, 40. That stuff took years, yeah for sure. But the basics of 15, 30, 40, love or love, 15, 30, 40. Yeah, win 40, yeah, um, win six games when a set to set, two or three sets to win that stuff was. If you're actually watching a match, you can get that part pretty fast if you're paying attention okay, let me ask you this, okay, so, so there's.
Speaker 1:You know, obviously we're going to go with the, with version of, you know, not the Grand Slams or anything like that, but set a best of three, right, how many? Not you know, not like the 1530, but like how many actual points in order to win the set.
Speaker 2:If, like you never get, if you the bare minimum, basically yeah. If you never get the bare minimum, basically, yeah. So if you get the bare minimum, if you won every single point, basically you would only need 24 points to win a set. Okay, that's assuming you win every game, that's assuming none of those games go to deuce.
Speaker 1:All right. So you got one point right to win a game. What's that?
Speaker 2:Four points to win a game.
Speaker 1:Six games to win a set okay, so technically one point equals one game four points equals one game all right. So one game, one point, okay. Four points, one game, no, no, okay. But I'm talking about, like you, know, that you got the one point. Okay, four points, one game, no, no, okay, I'm talking about. You know you got the one, two, three, best of Okay. So you're talking about games.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so each set consists of games, each game consists of points. So the set that you have to win six of you have to win six games.
Speaker 1:You're giving me a headache already, bro.
Speaker 2:That's why you heard the term. Your game set match right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Obviously that's where it comes from.
Speaker 1:So the umpire every time someone wins a game, All right, so you know you got the one, the two and the three right, you know, yeah, okay. So how do you determine who wins that first one and the second one and third one? By how many games? I'm probably gonna get this wrong. How many games, correct.
Speaker 2:if ever gets six games, all right, the first to get to six is the one who wins one correct unless, like I said, you both get to five, then you gotta get to seven, but because you gotta win, by two, yeah, but if you both get to seven, but Cause you got to? Win by two. Yeah, but if you both get to six, then that's when you go with the tiebreaker, so you could win seven, six.
Speaker 1:Okay, the tiebreaker. Okay, gotcha, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, all right, so, but you got to win best of three.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So if you win the first two, it's just that you don't have to play the third. Yeah, got it. Okay, all right, I thought. I thought that you know there were. It's like you know like soccer was confusing. You know, on the lines, or hockey, on the blue line, red line, you know like that took me a little bit to understand but I got it really quickly. You know, like lacrosse is easy to understand, football is easy to understand, football is easy to understand baseball hell it, baseball is easy to understand tennis, jesus, y'all took the cake when it comes to, like you know, the scoring system and just making it.
Speaker 2:It's just so complicated. Well, that's why I say that's the first thing you gotta learn, at least in all the other sports. For the most part you might not know how they score exactly, but you know a higher score is better at least right um, yeah, so this, like it's not even this is jama god, oh lord, yeah, yeah, exactly okay, all right, okay.
Speaker 1:So we got that part, we got the scoring. Okay, now I'm moving on. You know we're going to go to watch a match, okay, all right. There's a bunch of lines on the field, on the court, correct, okay?
Speaker 2:Talk to me about that, okay. Well, it will be a little more difficult to kind of explain it without having to do it here.
Speaker 1:For those of you that are watching or even listening to this, pull up a sketch of the tennis court and then we'll go from there.
Speaker 2:Exactly so, basically. So each side has a rectangle, it's not entirely square, but it's a rectangle, so like if I'm standing at the end of the court and I'm looking towards the opponent.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:So from that direction there'll be a line right down the middle Yep, and then the half, if I'm on the left. If I'm serving on the right, then you've got to be receiving on the left.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And it switches every other point. So if I serve on the right, the next point I'll be serving from the left and the receiver has to go to the other side as well. The opposite of you, correct. And so on my own specific half of the court, there were like so there's a line down the middle, so the half that's closer to me is just that one square again, not not actually square rectangle rectangle yeah no individual lines in between there, but the the half that's closer to the net.
Speaker 2:There will be another line just split down the middle, the opposite way, so left and right. So if I'm serving to the other side of the net, I have to get it again. If I'm on the right side and I'm serving, I have to serve it to the left side of that line but on the closer half to the net. So there's basically basically a quarter of your entire side of the court that I have to serve it into, Okay, and? And you know what side it is left or right to be. So you're prepared for it that way. And after I serve it, at that point you both of us can hit it wherever we want.
Speaker 1:After the serve, it doesn't matter. You don't have to hit it diagonally. It's only when you serve that you have to hit it on the other side of the line.
Speaker 2:From then on it's just free-for-all now, and we might get into this a little bit later. But as far as there's also a little an additional line extending the court wider, not longer, but wider on both sides, you'll see those courts even when the play in singles, but those are only used for when doubles, basically just making the court larger. That's all that, that's for, but a little. A little known fact that most people don't know unless you follow it pretty closely, is, once you again, the serve has to be what the way I just explained it. After that point, people don't actually have to hit it over the net. Now the net covers that whole, whole box, so it's almost wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:You don't have to hit it over the net, you don't have to know so where the hell are you gonna?
Speaker 2:hit it well, 99.99999 for the time you would have to hit it over the net to get it over correct. Okay, there's these extremely rare times where, like, player a will hit it so far onto the right side or left or whatever right side, like just barely on the line, but it's in, and then player B has to run so far from the other way to get to there that if he still gets to the ball he's way beyond the net at this point.
Speaker 2:So if he hits the ball, as long as he gets it on the court, correct, so he can hit it around the net on that side and as long as it lands in the court, it's live, still, again, and that side. And as long as it lands in the court, it's a it's live, still and again. That's almost impossible to do because a that opportunity doesn't present itself very often and B it's just hard to do even when it does. But I've seen it a few times. You also also can't touch the net. So these times when player a bloops it over the net just a little bit and you have to run and charge just to get to it, if you succeed and get to the ball but you just go a little too far and you put your hand on the net, you lose.
Speaker 1:But the ball can touch the net.
Speaker 2:The ball can touch the net correct, but not on the serve.
Speaker 1:No. It can be while you're playing, not on the serve.
Speaker 2:Right. If it hits the net on the serve, it's a point to the other player, not necessarily what.
Speaker 2:If it's a person serving for the first time and they don't get it in that box, then it's a fault and they get one do-over. Basically, if they fail again, then it's a point, it's 15 for the other person. But if it hits the net and doesn't land in the box, then it's still just the same kind of fault. But if it hits the net and does land in the box, it's not a fault and it's not good. They call it a let and it's basically just a do-over. But it's still your first serve.
Speaker 1:Why are you guys complicating the bologna sandwich here I?
Speaker 2:didn't make the rules, I just. I just enjoy them yeah, well, no kidding um, I have a headache all right, it's a lot to like for me, a lot to digest, yeah, especially just like to this sport, dude, like I mean, sweet, mother of god.
Speaker 1:I thought they're like, like I said, like you know, a lot of people's like oh my god, baseball's so complicated with so many rules. No, man, it's not I mean, I feel like every sport to some degree, depending on how detailed you're getting yeah across like how far down in the weeds you get into it, but like sweet lord, like what the in the god's green earth like why?
Speaker 2:right, for sure, and yeah, but but again it's, there's a beauty to it because, like I said, it's not only to the point that you have to. You have to keep scoring points, even if you got a huge lead. You have to keep scoring points to win. And then, like I said, there's those scenarios where one or two points could, in the match, or completely tie it and stuff okay, all right.
Speaker 1:I mean, listen, I I get it and you know not really, but I get it, but that's a lot all right, okay, okay, uh. So we went over that, we went over the the court. Um uh, is there obviously, like for example, in football, in baseball, in basketball, there is a set uniform that you have to wear in tennis, is there a uniform?
Speaker 2:um no, now I will. I'm sure there are, you know, just some sort of like decency stuff that you have to wear and stuff like obviously, um. But other than that, the only ever uh like specific rule on uniform I have heard is that at wimbledon in london the players always have to wear white. Like that's just the court rule, um so how far does that rule go? How far back? Or you mean like how strict.
Speaker 1:Are they back? Yeah?
Speaker 2:I. They've been playing the tournament for about 150 years. I think it's always been that way. Okay.
Speaker 1:And then also also how serious do they get with that?
Speaker 2:Oh, very serious. There have been times where sometimes these players will be wearing t-shirts or whatever underneath their uniform, and sometimes they have been bright colors or whatever, and if they if that was the case and they could be seen they would get fined. Now they've relaxed on that part of it the last couple years as long as, like, the actual outside outfit is white, but, but now I will say, though they at least will. All these players have sponsorships, deals and stuff. Now 99% of them are literally just wearing the Nike logo or the Adidas logo or whatever. That can be red, blue, whatever.
Speaker 1:As long as the full shirt is, or the and the pants are white, Correct. So the purity of the sport.
Speaker 2:I'm sure. And again it's England. Yeah, they're a little fancier than we are here in America.
Speaker 1:Sure Okay, let's go with that.
Speaker 2:But as far as I'm aware, it's not. Every other place can wear whatever colors and whatever types of uniforms, but not the all England club.
Speaker 1:All right, a lot of people are enjoying this conversation right now. I feel like such a fish out of water right now.
Speaker 2:I guess yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Like I've watched it before and all that and I've always wondered, like what are the rules? Like why did they do that?
Speaker 2:And you know I mean I mean, listen, some of these guys are super strong and they the way that ball comes out out of that racket, right, and it's literally a rocket uh so it's just for sure, and yeah, I mean I'm still always learning stuff as I'm watching it too like there's, you know, like you said earlier, you know I don't play it, so there's a lot of like those types of techniques that I don't know much about. But I know, like from watching it, you know these players will have you know, five rackets they bring and if one of them is not playing well, they'll say things like well, they're going to switch to racket to get tighter, tighter strings for, for more power, or things like that. But I still haven't gotten down pat, uh, all what the tighter strings mean, or looser strings or whatever. But I do know they have different things like that where they'll switch the rackets depending on how they're playing, for different reasons, like that interesting, so racket plays a huge part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah exactly Like the way the tightness of the strings on the racket Correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure that I can imagine there's a wide range of how loose and tight you can get it, but from what I gather just from watching it, it can play a decent difference still okay, uh, all right.
Speaker 1:So what's the difference between singles and doubles?
Speaker 2:so the first biggest thing obviously is kind of what we talked about earlier, where the court is actually wider.
Speaker 1:Um, obviously they're playing on the same court.
Speaker 2:But there's those additional lines um, excuse me, that's obviously the first biggest thing um and uh they. So I don't follow the doubles nearly as close. Nearly as close, so I could get some of these details wrong, but from what I right all right, here we go population town, here we go Population town.
Speaker 1:Here we go. Population Mike.
Speaker 2:They're not extremely detailed. So I'm pretty confident in these couple things.
Speaker 1:It's just not as much information I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2:For example, let's say me and you are on the same team playing doubles against Patrick and Donnie, for example.
Speaker 1:Oh, that would'll be good one here, you know, we gotta be careful because, donnie, you know, senior citizen, you know we don't want him to break his knee we'll take it easy on him, sorry.
Speaker 2:So if it's our turn to serve and it's my turn to serve, okay um, then me and you will still go left and right on the court taking turns like normal, correct?
Speaker 2:but patrick and donnie, they're staying on the same side no matter what you're serving yeah, so I'll serve first point to patrick or whatever, and then I'll be serving the next point to donnie. So it'll rotate in that way now. Now they will. They as receivers whoever's receiving the serve will be back behind the line, Whoever's not receiving the serve will be close to the net. So there's that set up. And then the one other thing which I think this has not been going on for super long, but when you get to the scoring, if oh God yeah, but when you get, to the scoring.
Speaker 2:If each person, each team, wins one set, rather than playing a third entire set, they just go straight to the 10-point tiebreak. So basically one set each. Then we just play best to 10 points, but got to win by two to finish it off, yeah, which is kind of. I think the main point with that is I I think they all know that singles is where it's at as far as like popularity and things like that. They just want to end it quick. I kind of think that's the case. But it's also kind of ironic because you should have far more energy left when you're playing doubles. So you think it must be the other way around, that if you're playing singles they'll limit the action, but no, Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, guys, I just want you guys to know that this is truly an episode of the Data Hack Chronicles podcast. I am learning tennis. How effective this is going to be is yet to be determined, because there's a lot of rules into this game. But before we continue, guys, make sure that you guys are signing up to the podcast wherever you are listening. Make sure you hit the like button as well as the subscribe button. Make sure you also follow my good friend here, mike. He's on all socials and then, yeah, all right, mike. So what are the four Grand Slam tournaments?
Speaker 2:There is the Australian Open in Melbourne or melbourne. That's what's going on right now yep at the time of this recording okay, yeah, so uh, mid, mid to late january is when they do that, and all of them last two weeks, uh, all the majors not every tournament period, all these majors slash grand slams. That's the first one and that's played on hard court surface.
Speaker 2:I don't know how close you pay attention, but there's multiple different types of surfaces on the courts here we go so we get into that in a minute if you want, yeah, but then there's the french open, that is obviously in france and paris, that is, uh, it's around Memorial Day and that is played on clay, red clay and then around Independence Day, ironically, is in England the Wimbledon, and that is played on grass. And then finally, around Labor Day, here in America, new York, is the US Open, which is also on hardcore. Okay, so there's grass.
Speaker 1:Finally, around Labor Day, here in America, new York, is the US Open, which is also on Hardcourt. Okay, so there's grass, there's clay, there's hard surface, correct?
Speaker 2:So there is technically they have a couple other things, like they have carpet and they have some like indoor Hardcourt, outdoor Hardcourt, but you never see those. It's basically just the three grass, hard court and clay. Okay, so from just a viewer's uh standpoint, the only difference you notice is the color of the court. But in reality there's differences in the speed of the ball, how it, how high it bounces the spins on the ball for each surface, and so when you follow it closely enough over time you'll learn that certain players can be way better or way worse on certain surfaces just depending on their style of play. So, like a grass court, that's more for the players that are aggressive because the ball moves faster. Really, on, the ball moves faster.
Speaker 1:Really On the grass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fastest on grass than on hard court and slowest on clay.
Speaker 1:I would have thought that would have been the hard surface, that would have been the fastest.
Speaker 2:I agree, it seems like it would be. It is On the hard surface the ball bounces higher and then on the grass it bounces lowest, so clay's in between. And then there's things too like like a hard court and the grass, but especially the hard court, you can't really slide much. Like if you're going left to right you, you just can't slide too much, blowing clay. You can slide really far.
Speaker 2:So, again, depending on your style of play, exactly like Rafael Nadal, if you're watching him, he's sliding left and right and stuff. That's why he's always winning the French Open, which is on clay. So yeah, there's different styles of play, just some fit others better. So, like I said, if you watch it, if you follow it closely, you do learn over time. Like this, others better. So I said, if you watch it, if you follow it closely, you do learn over time. Like this player always wins on clay but can't win on grass at all or whatever. And yeah, hardcore is kind of like the, the neutral, almost. Like some people are better on hardcore than the others, but I think that's more a matter of being worse on the others I got you, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to ask this, knowing that there's going to be some crazy cockamamie answer, not from you, but just overall. Because tennis, all right, we've already talked about the different kinds of surfaces. Okay, now, is there, based on each surface, is there a specific kind of tennis ball or is it pretty much the same tennis ball?
Speaker 2:I've never heard of a difference in the tennis ball, so I believe it's always the same kind of tennis ball now I am right Now I will say they change the tennis balls. I think it's like every six games or so. At a certain amount of the times they will get a fresh set of tennis balls. So in the middle of an individual match you will see them talking about the differences between, like, oh, these fresh balls and the ones are getting older and stuff. Oh God, okay, yep, no, no, continue.
Speaker 1:Continue, continue. Balls and the ones are getting older and stuff, but oh god, okay, yep, no, no, continue, continue, continue.
Speaker 2:but yeah, it's not to my knowledge, there's not different, different kinds for different surfaces or anything like that all right, okay.
Speaker 1:Is there a difference in tennis rackets for each player?
Speaker 2:um, similar to like we were talking about their clothing styles. They'll have deals with different manufacturers, so I mean, some people will have their own brands and every brand could be slightly different, but it's not a matter of just like. Oh, there's exactly three styles of rackets and it's always a, b or c it's. It's just the same general setting but different brands and, like we said, you know, sometimes we'll have tighter strings, looser strings, which can make some differences.
Speaker 1:So that's where you see the difference. It's the tighter strings on the racket. You know also, I'm sure they could play um. It could play a huge advantage or disadvantage if you're using them, depending also on the court, correct?
Speaker 2:For sure, for sure, and you'll even see the grip they have. You can see that in just a store, at Walmart or whatever I do. They have that wrap like the tape, almost like you can wrap around the grips. So the grips can vary slightly, more than anything. I think it's just a matter of being worn out or fresh as well, but you'll see, or sweaty or whatever right, but you'll see them similarly.
Speaker 2:You know re-taping that and stuff and even the, the actual part of the racket. It's not a it's all the same basic shape, but again, some are, you know, slightly more narrow, slightly fatter, or whatever you want to call it. So there's slight differences like that as well.
Speaker 1:I mean wow, that's a, that's a lot for sure, sure. That's a lot to digest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:What's between the difference ATP, I think, or WTA? Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's just literally the men's and the women's. That's it. Yeah, the WTA is obviously the women's and, yeah, atp there's been some talk for years. They run completely independent of each other. Now they still play the major grand slams at the same times. There's a handful of other tournaments, uh, that they play at the same time as well, but it's not. It's not completely the same. Like, okay, other than the grand slams, and I said, a handful of other tournaments, you know, the women could be playing in madrid one week while the men are playing in atlanta or whatever, and uh, but there's been some talk of them like merging to to be run by the same organization. I don't know if that would necessarily mean the same schedule, because, speaking of those tournaments, something we haven't mentioned yet is, uh, there's uh, four sets of four levels of tournaments I'm sorry what four levels of tournaments.
Speaker 2:Why? For ranking, points and money. So so, as you're probably aware, there's both of these have rankings, right Of course. So there's number one player in the world, number two player in the world, stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2:But it's not like college football, where it's just people are voting on who they think is the best. There's an actual system of.
Speaker 1:I'm sure it's very complicated.
Speaker 2:I mean, without getting too specific, it's as you would expect. You know, you get to the championship, you get the most points. Of course, runner up a little less, et cetera, but the four different levels of tournaments is where that varies. So there's the majors, which is the Grand Slams.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:You win the championship, it's worth 2,000 points.
Speaker 1:Why this ridiculous number?
Speaker 2:Well, when you hear the other ones, it kind of makes sense. So there's those ones. This is the most important. Keep in mind, like your runner up, it's worth like 1300, semifinals 780, et cetera. So everything's to scale roughly. Then there's the 1000 events they call, which, as you can probably guess, you win 1000 points for winning the tournament. And then there's the next tier, which is the 500 events, and guess how many points you win for.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go on a limb here, say 500.
Speaker 2:Good guess you win. Oh, my God look at me, I'm good at tennis. And then finally there's the 250 events. So basically you'll see these top players, the players that are the top 10 in the world and stuff. Everybody's playing every Grand Slam, if they're good enough to make it, and almost everybody's playing every one of the 1,000 events, which is like nine of. But the 500s and the 250s. The top players will not play 250s unless they're just coming back from injury and need time, they don't really care.
Speaker 2:Right, They'll play some 500s and stuff. But of course everybody needs some breaks too, because tennis season goes from New Year's to the beginning of November. Why? Why such a long? Well, that's why I say you can play your own schedule. If you want to take a month off, you can take the month off. Obviously, people are going to take some weeks off, here and there at least. But because the schedule is so long, you're going to need some breaks at least.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Y'all just trying to complicate the bologna sandwich up in here. That's what I understand.
Speaker 2:And succeeding.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, yep, okay, okay, okay, I mean, I get it and they are okay.
Speaker 2:And yeah, to the point of the rankings yes, please, obviously accumulate all the points for rankings, and it's Okay. And to the point of the rankings Obviously you accumulate all the points for rankings and it's a rolling 52 week system, so it's not just like it doesn't restart on January 1st, it's just literally the last, constantly the last 52 weeks. So basically, all the points people earn in the Australian Open right now, they'll get it, but then they'll take away everything they earned from last year's australian open. If that makes sense, sure, go with that all right, again complicating things.
Speaker 1:I don't understand why they're. You guys are trying to complicate things, that's uh that you know what I mean. Just I, I don't, I don't get it. I don't get it you gotta have rankings.
Speaker 2:You know I mean.
Speaker 1:Otherwise, once it's all I'm with you on the rankings. I'm not disagreeing you there. But sweet mother of all, baby jesus, you know how would you do it.
Speaker 2:Would you be like an ap style poll and just rank them every week?
Speaker 1:yeah, rank them every week all thousand players on each. No man, I know I, I know, I know I'm messing with you. I'm messing with you. There has to be a ranking system. It's just the 2,000 points and then all that. It's like you know, you could just make it less points and still be effective when it comes to that, like you really could.
Speaker 2:You could. But for example, in the Grand Slam obviously we won't have to get into it. But every tournament has different sizes. You know, it's not always a standard 32 people in the field or whatever, and for the most part the larger tournaments have larger fields. So these majors they have 128 people field.
Speaker 1:So because why not?
Speaker 2:right. So if you lose in the first round, you only get in 10 points. So, as you can imagine, losing the first round, you're only getting 10 points. So, as you can imagine, it's a huge difference going all the way to the championship. So maybe 2,000 isn't the exact right number, but it needs to be significantly better than just 10.
Speaker 1:Okay, I ask for this. I just want you to know that. You need to know that I asked for this. Yes, I appreciate you saying that, and I look like deer in headlights right now if you guys are watching it on the YouTube channel, because, my God, that's so much there's so much.
Speaker 2:It is a lot, but, to be fair, we've also covered. We just covered the rules of the match. We also have covered some styles of play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, some season-long rules.
Speaker 1:Obviously Okay. So let me ask you this you are a fan. You've actually been watching it for quite a long time, I guess over 20 years now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, about 20 years of watching it at least casually, and probably 10 plus years of watching it pretty darn closely.
Speaker 1:Because I'm sure right now there's some you know you are itching to find out what's going on in the Australian Open.
Speaker 2:Normally I would say 100%, but the Australian Open is a little more difficult because it's in Australia, so the time zone difference is massive and because of the point of the tournament we're at right now, we're down to the semifinals in each one, so no matches even start until 3.30 am Eastern time. So there's no matches going on right now. Nope.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm doing at 3.30 in the morning. Not watching that.
Speaker 2:I will admit, depending on what the matches are, there have been some times when I'll set my alarm to get in the middle of the night to watch those. Shut up. It's not the norm, but I've done it.
Speaker 1:Good for you. I mean, listen, you've got to be in an immense amount of shape in order to play tennis.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause not only just the nature of the sport itself, but it's 90% of the time you're in the brutal sun demanding and you're doing it all by yourself and like we discussed, you know it's it's not often that the matches go four or five hours, but it's not rare. And it is often they go at least two or five hours, but it's not rare, and it is often they go at least two or three hours of all this.
Speaker 2:And the coach cannot be there next to you Right Now. They have loosened up on some rules with that. It used to be that coaches had to be in the stands and that you could do no coaching during the match. Then they relaxed it a little bit where you can do coaching during the match and then literally just this year they've allowed it where the player or the coach can be like obviously not on the court or not in the right with the players, but right Very, very close to where, in between points or at least during the breaks, you could easily talk to them if you wanted to.
Speaker 1:OK, but I've always wondered that, because I always see that, like you know, they're all all the way up in the stands and they're like okay, you did all the coaching and all the training, you're on your own right and still, for the most part, even with these new rules.
Speaker 2:First of all, some people are choosing not to be right next to them. So some of the players coaches still are up in the stands, yeah, but even the ones that are getting closer, they're still still far enough away that, while you're actually playing, you're on your own.
Speaker 1:But yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:And, like I said, if you're a football player and you're super tired, you can come out for a play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, antennas, you can't tap.
Speaker 2:You got to play Exactly and, like I said, it's your head, yeah, and tenants you can't tap. You got to play Exactly and, like I said, it's often in extreme heat because even this time of year when they're playing, they're intentionally playing in Australia because it's hot there right now. That's why they're not playing in America right now.
Speaker 1:How do you think instant replay has changed the game?
Speaker 2:So by the time I started watching it it was already there. Okay, so I can't really say before, but what I will say is even that, not to add to some confusion here. But that is one thing that even confuses me, and the reason I say that is when I first started watching it, they had it like a lot of other sports where they had challenges.
Speaker 2:So you got, I think it was, I think it was like three challenges per set, but you know, if you got two of them right or something, you could keep going until you missed another one, something like that okay but now most of the tournaments have gone to uh uh like where electronic scoring, so to speak, where the calls or whether in or out are made entirely electronically, so they don't even have like the, the player or the the scores down the line calling whether it's in and out. It's all electronic whether it's in or out, so they still have the replays. But but basically you can't challenge it because it's already being called the same way it would be called in a challenge. But the reason it confuses me is I don't think every tournament does that Like. Some are still a little different. I think some you can challenge still and some you can't, and that's kind of been slowly changing here and there. So I'm not even entirely sure exactly where we're at with that.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me ask you this the person that's on the chair, the middle of the court, the- umpire. Yep, sure, let's call in an umpire. Two-part question Okay, what is its purpose there? And two, why do they always look so pompous?
Speaker 2:well, the second part is probably because they can't show favoritism, of course, either way, they look so pompous every single time no they do, but, as you can imagine, not only a matter of like said, not not being able to pick sides, but also having to have the personality to deal with the players complaining and chewing them out. They'll just sit there and take it, basically. But for the first part of your question, in reality, now that we've gone to all the electronic systems, they're useless Not entirely, but less useful because they're not making their calls.
Speaker 1:They're only 25% effective for the game Not entirely, but less useful because they're not making those calls. They're only 25% effective for the game.
Speaker 2:Probably yeah, because basically for the most part what they're doing is now there's some judgment calls to be made, like, for example, just in a match last night. The ball can only bounce, obviously, one time on the side of the court and the person has to hit it. If it bounces a second time you lose the point. But just last night there was a controversy because the ball in slow motion, it very clearly bounced a second time before the player hit it but the umpire didn't call it right away, so the opposing player continued playing. As soon as the rally ended, the opposing player went up to the umpires like that was a double bounce, but the rule was the opposing player has to stop right away and challenge it, basically. And she didn't do that and it wasn't really even her fault because it was just kind of reaction. But basically the umpire could have right off the bat, even without the players complaining, the umpire themselves could have stopped it and called it a net double bounce.
Speaker 2:So some judgment calls like that. There's also there's technically a serve clock. That's almost never enforced, but you technically only have 25 seconds to serve. Of course, and there are occasionally people that will abuse that, and not so much by taking way longer, but by consistently taking a couple extra seconds. So the umpire can give them a warning and if they continue to do it, they can dock them a point. And they can also dock them points for uh, you know, unsportsmanlike stuff, things like that.
Speaker 1:So that's messed up. You. You've got to dock a point and then you've got to replay more.
Speaker 2:That's wrong man, it wouldn't be replaying, though how that works.
Speaker 1:No, not replay. You've got to keep playing.
Speaker 2:For example, let's say it would never happen on the first point of the match, but let's say it happened on the first point of the match or before we even ever started. If I did something terrible, the umpire would give me a warning first, but if we still didn't play and I did something again, then even without playing, he would give you a point. So we haven't even played yet and you're winning 15 love.
Speaker 1:Man get out of here.
Speaker 2:If I do it a third time, it's a game, not just a point. It's a game. Next time set finally, you can be just disqualified. They serve some purpose. Plus, the crowd gets loud in between points cheering. Sometimes they go too far. The umpire has to ask them to be quiet, things like that. Again pompous I don't disagree, but but they did I mean you're not wrong, but they're there and again they serve more of a purpose back in the day.
Speaker 2:Of course it's I'm sure it's yeah, kind of like baseball. You know, we get to, we're probably gonna get to a point where we don't need the umpires there. But even if we get to the electronic calling, the umpire will probably still physically be there, right, yeah, so it's kind of like that, even though 90% of the calls being made we don't need the umpire for, but there's a few that we do and will most likely, I would think, keep the umpire there physically regardless.
Speaker 1:It's not bad. I mean I got it for the most part. It's going to take me a while.
Speaker 2:It's not like I.
Speaker 1:I mean I got it for the most part. It's going to take me a while. It's not like I'm going to be sitting here. I'm going to be like, ooh, did you guys watch Australia? No, but I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2:You're going to be setting your alarm at 3.30 am for those matches. The hell I am I already?
Speaker 1:woke up early enough, bro, I don't need to be waking up even earlier.
Speaker 2:I'm up too early. Unless it's to get up and watch tennis, it's too early yeah, my wife says the same thing.
Speaker 1:You know. She actually says like you're psychotic. I'm like thanks, babe, I love you too, right? She says I love, I'm sure yeah, I'm sure she says that I don't love. Yeah, let's go with that. So this has been very illuminating yes one more questions for you, all right, all right, um, because obviously this is. You know, this is what we do now Learn new sports. We got to be open to this.
Speaker 2:Exactly Plus. Now you can classify this as an educational podcast.
Speaker 1:Oh Right, well, yes, you're right, look at you.
Speaker 2:Not just a hat rack up here, no, just a hat rack.
Speaker 1:Where's that one? Is that from Winston-Salem?
Speaker 2:Winston-Salem flight. Yeah, I just got it in the mail yesterday.
Speaker 1:You bought that one from National Hat Day.
Speaker 2:Ironically, I bought a couple hats around that time, but none of them were actually on National Hat Day, oh, you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1:You went around there, you bought another 14, went around, get, won another 14, 15, went straight to the 16th. But I'm gonna call it my national hat day hat, so let's go with. That sounds good. All right, all right, okay. So, um, let me see here. Um, let's take a look here. I'm looking at this. Uh, these questions that I have here. We talked about the rankings, we talked about the Grand Slam. In your opinion and again, this is your own biased opinion, okay, this is your opinion. Okay, who is the greatest tennis player of all time?
Speaker 2:I will say Roger Federer. Now, there is controversy about that, of course, because why is that?
Speaker 2:Because, similar to other sports, it's like like you know what do you go off of? And if you want to strictly go off 100 just by the numbers, then novak djokovic beats him in in a lot of the stuff just by the numbers, yeah, but there's so. That's why I said a lot of people will say djokovic just because numbers, he's got more numbers, and that's hard to argue, especially since they were similar eras, but their eras did slightly differ. For the most part, djokovic got a lot, not all of them, but a lot of his extra numbers in a weaker era. And then you can say things like even head-to-head, djokovic beat Federer more, uh, head-to-head, which is true, but again, uh, a lot of their matches were when Federer was a little past his prime, playing Djokovic while he was in his prime and it was still pretty close to 50, 50, things like that. Um, the the third person that gets mentioned a lot is obviously rafael nadal, whose numbers are also very similar. He just retired, didn't he?
Speaker 2:he just did, yeah, a couple months ago rafa yeah, but to me, while he's still a legend and one of the best players of all time, I think amongst those three he's pretty easily the the number three. Yeah, and to me, the main reason why is he was so flipping good on clay like nobody could beat him okay period on clay, but everywhere else, still very good, just not as dominant, correct.
Speaker 2:So his numbers are a little skewed just because he could not be beat on clay, whereas jokovic and federer absolute top notch everywhere. Basically, um, but just to throw in one, uh, one, one name that isn't in these more modern era is bjorn borg. Now, most people probably wouldn't call him the best from the previous era, but but his numbers are close to the best anyway, and he played in the time like, I think like 60s, 70s, yeah, when traveling was not as easily. So, like a lot of these grand slams, he just willingly did not choose to play because he didn't want to travel to wherever. So of course he didn't win as many tournaments and stuff because of that. But so I'm gonna throw his name out just to get a plug for his name. What about women's? Women's? I think there's obviously some similar arguments that can be made for different things, but I think that's a lot clearer that Serena, serena Williams, is the greatest of all time.
Speaker 2:She she was dominant, yeah, dominant for so long long, yeah, even she's got the numbers, she's got the, the name, so to speak, of just everybody knows how dominant excuse me she was. And, like I said, she played until she was about 40 and even though it's more common these days for these players to play longer but even these, most of the women, will be retired by 30-ish, and she only played until 40, but was still winning Grand Slams until about 35, 36.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. Okay, I appreciate you teaching me.
Speaker 2:Anytime, and this is now.
Speaker 1:I am going to go into my podcast Aseksha, and I am going to put educational I like it.
Speaker 2:I'm glad I could help.
Speaker 1:Simply because you taught me something. And then the next person that I'm going to bring in, they're going to teach me about their sport, and then we're going to keep going, and this is how this is going to happen from now on. I love it.
Speaker 2:Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I said, I don't get a chance to talk about tennis much, so I'll take every opportunity I can.
Speaker 1:I want you to know that we did talk a little bit about tennis on the Dead Hat Chronicle Sports Show. By the way, every Tuesday and Thursday it's 9 pm Eastern time on YouTube. All good stuff. All good stuff, right. We said, hey, the Australian is going on right now, just want you guys to know. And then that was it. That's more than I would have expected. You would have expected, right? So there you go. I just want you to know that I did talk about it. I gave you a shout, but since you don't watch anymore because you're too good for us, I'm just saying it's past my bedtime. Oh, get out of here's. It's 8 30, right, 9 30 and you still up with me I don't mean right now, it's past my bedtime.
Speaker 2:I mean when I don't watch shows. Sometimes that's because it's past my bedtime man get out of here you're so full of it I don't want to hear it I would say I get up early, which is true, but after you just telling me what time you get up, I'm not going to use that as an excuse.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get up at 4.45 at the gym by 5.15.
Speaker 1:Good for you, Good for you. You know I got to do something because I eat like a dad.
Speaker 2:See, I do that I just don't do the gym.
Speaker 1:So all right. Anything you want to plug right now, my friend, this is your chance. Like you know, your social podcast, anything I appreciate you.
Speaker 2:I got a the up to chat podcast. Uh, it's kind of in a spot right now where I don't do it on a regular basis. I just kind of do it here and there right now, but it's. It's about all sports and stuff's just kind of been on what's in season, tennis included, and then for social media, then I'm at P-U-K-32-L-ers on most of them, so you can follow me there.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then this is all socials or it's strictly like Instagram. That's Instagram, and Twitter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are other than Facebook. Those are the only two I got right now. Actually, I have a Threads, which is the same thing, so I'm just not very active on there yet. I'm usually a little behind on getting to the new social media, so I usually almost always eventually get there. I'm just way after everybody else gets there.
Speaker 1:I just want you to know that I am following you on Threads and you're not following me.
Speaker 2:No, I'm following you on there.
Speaker 1:Am I not.
Speaker 2:No, well, hold that, I say it because it's not following me.
Speaker 1:It says right there, you know.
Speaker 2:I will say Michael AB Sellers. That's me, that's me, that's you, I will say I'm not very active.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I'm not very active. Like I said, I'm not very active on there. I know you have not posted anything.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:I appreciate that you put right there in Spanish Okay, all right, I got you. La familia es todo, pero el béisbol también es bueno. Okay, all right, bro, I got you homie.
Speaker 2:Is that not awesome, or?
Speaker 1:homie, I was pretty good. I'll give you that man.
Speaker 2:I got that when I was watching Breaking Bad and one of the scenes Hector said la familia es todo. I love that, but then I needed to add a little more truth to it.
Speaker 1:I like it. Guys. Make sure you guys are following mike sellers on the socials, uh twitter, uh instagram and then also make sure he's on threads. He hasn't posted anything, but he's on threads. Okay, just make sure you give him a follow. He has 53 followings at this at the time of this recording, so let's get those numbers up, uh. And also make sure you guys uh check out his podcast, the up to Chat podcast, wherever that you listen to your podcast. Okay, mike, I'm serious. Thank you so much for teaching me about tennis. You also taught me that I can change my podcast now to educational, so I might just get more listeners because of that.
Speaker 2:You're welcome. I'm glad I could help and I'm glad I had this opportunity to talk about tennis.
Speaker 1:There you go. And then, as far as the data chronicles, um, I am a lot more active right now on blue sky, on threads and instagram, as well as youtube. Uh, just look up uh data chronicles podcast. Make sure you guys subscribe. I do post a podcast there as well. I do some uh, some, uh, a couple of videos here and there, so make sure you guys are following as well. We will see you guys in the next episode. What sport are we going to talk about? I don't know, we'll see, but I'm gonna get, I'm someone's gonna teach me about their sport and I appreciate that. Thanks, guys, thank you, thank you.
